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Sascha Engel
Two Sound Questions
on Jul 24, 2013 at 11:24:41 pm

Hallo Everybody,

I am about to start my first short film in FCPX, since I cannot L&T anymore in FCP 7 in 10.8.

Now, two things that still worry me:

1. When I did some test import, it brings in the C300 Canon Footage with linked Stereo Files, but I need them separate, since I need to control them individually (one is Boom, one neck mic). How can I delink them, like in FCP with option + L?

2. In the end I have to deliver a full OMF file to the Sound Studio, how can I do this FCPX?


Thanx a lot.

Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Andy Neil
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:06:51 am

You should be able to just check the box on import that says, "Separate Mono and Group Stereo audio". Otherwise, you could select all your clips once you've imported and in the inspector change the audio configuration to dual mono instead of stereo.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Charlie Austin
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:18:50 am

[Andy Neil] "You should be able to just check the box on import that says, "Separate Mono and Group Stereo audio". Otherwise, you could select all your clips once you've imported and in the inspector change the audio configuration to dual mono instead of stereo."

Correct, it's a button click away. FWIW, any common attributes of multiple selected files, audio or otherwise, can be manipulated in the inspector.

As to OMF, get X2Pro (LE or Professional) and send 'em an AAF. It works great and will import to most common DAW's (Logic, ProTools, Nuendo etc) If they insist on an OMF, use Xto7 to bring it into FCP 7, do whatever cleanup needs doing, and export OMF from there. I would add that it is very important to assign the correct Roles to your Audio before you start cutting. You can do it anytime, but trust me, you want to do it in the Event. Do that, and everything is super easy. :-)

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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:30:25 am

Thanx a lot. Yes, i managed to split the Audio like this. Unfortunately when bringing it into FCPX, even with the Mono box checked it would not do it. So, no way around the pricey third party software? Could you elaborate on the roles, since that is a part of FCPX I am not so familiar with yet.

Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Andy Neil
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:37:26 am

[Sascha Engel] "Could you elaborate on the roles, since that is a part of FCPX I am not so familiar with yet."

Here's a primer tutorial I did on the Roles feature.

FCPX INs and OUTs - Roles

Hope this helps.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:50:49 am

Thanx a lot!

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 4:26:49 am

Great Tutorial. Thanx a lot!
Way more clear now. Roles is a strong tool, even though it doesn't help me to get around this non OMF issue.
Seems like the only way is to get X2Pro.
While I still wonder, what the difference is between the Pro and LE version..


Greetings,

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Charlie Austin
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 4:31:23 am

[Sascha Engel] "While I still wonder, what the difference is between the Pro and LE version.."

http://x2pro.net/feature-list.html
:-)

The biggest difference is that the "pro" version can trim your media. Without that, the files are absolutely gigantic as it copies the entire source file, even if you only used 10 frames from it. Almost unusable if you have to send them out.


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Charlie Austin
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 12:44:18 am

[Sascha Engel] "So, no way around the pricey third party software?"

Well, you can just bring it into FCP 7. You will need Xto7, but it really is worth it. Also, the LE version of X2Pro is fairly reasonable, though it doesn't give you as much control as the pricey version. And do check out Andy's tutorial, as well as the thread comment's below it. :-)

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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 4:39:27 am

Thanx for all the information. So with Xto7 I can get the project fully onto 7 and then do OMF from there?

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 4:43:20 am

Could I not just export an XML from X and then import that XML to 7 and from there export an OMF, without any additional software?

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Charlie Austin
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 4:50:18 am

[Sascha Engel] "Could I not just export an XML from X and then import that XML to 7 and from there export an OMF, without any additional software?"

Nope... fcpxml is different than fcp 7 XML. So you do need Xto7 to get it over. A little cheaper then X2Pro. It translates very well, but you may need to re-arrange your tracks and clean up some stuff (disabled audio components etc.) that 7 doesn't understand. It's fairly easy. but X2Pro is easier... just press a button. :-)

The bottom line with X is that while it's relatively cheap, but if you need certain "pro" workflow functions, you need to spend a little more money. Trust me, it's worth it...

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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 5:36:03 am

Thank you. But if the FCPX has such a different XML how come it's possible to import as XML into Resolve, but FCP7 won't read it?

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Michael Gissing
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 6:44:40 am

Resolve is not dead software.They keep upgrading it to including FCPXML import. Apple have never made a backwards path from X to 7 without third party apps so you will have to buy one of them if you edit in X.

You must be charging a low hourly rate if $146 is expensive compared to time spent on workarounds. If you plan to edit in X you will always need third party apps like X2Pro so cost it in terms of the next five jobs and still see if it still seems expensive.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 7:10:41 am

Hahaha. Not only me. Israel happens to be one of the most expansive places in the world, with one if the worst salaries in the industry. Damn sad, but reality. You would not believe the hourly rate we can charge here.

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Michael Gissing
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 7:32:47 am

And yet they are shooting on an expensive camera compared to the Canon DSLR's or the Blackmagic so someone in Israel must be getting a decent budget.

Australia is not exactly premium rates either but my time is worth more than the price of X and the X2Pro app.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 7:31:22 am

Just out of masochistic curiosity: where are you based and what is the general hour rate or rate per day shift of an offline or online editor?

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Michael Gissing
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 7:35:07 am

I do grade and sound post so my hourly rate includes facilities with Resolve, HDCam & digi beta decks but my base rate is $150 per hr with all the gear and specially designed and built rooms.

Editors with basic edit gear would charge less of course.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 25, 2013 at 8:24:22 am

They rent good equipment, cause its not so costly to rent.
But yes, you hour rates are way above what is normal here.
1200.- shekel for a shift, which is 9 hours long, that's around 400.- dollars for 9 hours of work!

Sascha Engel
TIME BANDITZ Productions
http://www.youtube.com/taikang


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Michael Gissing
Re: Two Sound Questions
on Jul 26, 2013 at 1:09:38 am

For a basic edit suite with editor that is low but not much different to editors who work from home here in Australia.

My rates are very different because it includes purpose built acoustic facilities with air con and hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment - much more overhead and equipment than an editor requires.


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