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Clint Wardlow
FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 5:27:06 pm

I am wondering if Mountain Lion is the last Apple OS that will work with Final Cut legacy? As it stands now, FCS 3 is really the only legacy software it plays with (yes I know there is a byzantine work around involving loading Rosetta from a Snow Leopard disc to force FCS 2 to go through its paces on OSX 8).

I am guessing we have a year or two at most if one wants to ever upgrade their hardware. Apple would like to kill off FC legacy once and for all, is my gut feeling. They are doing the same with Snow Leopard.

I have my current imac locked into Snow Leopard -- and I have a feeling there are a lot like me. However, when I looked at the new Aperture download, I see it only works in Lion or Mountain Lion. Also, the new Adobe CC programs won't work in Snow Leopard.

So how much longer will guys like me be able to cling to the past (I guess until my current imac blows up, though I am hoping that it will remain useable for several more years even though I plan to purchase a new computer in a few months)?


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Steve Connor
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 5:54:18 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "I am wondering if Mountain Lion is the last Apple OS that will work with Final Cut legacy?"

It's reported that it works in Mavericks too

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


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Clint Wardlow
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 6:05:27 pm

It could be that FCP7 will remain viable for many years to come.


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Andrew Richards
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 7:57:49 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "It could be that FCP7 will remain viable for many years to come."

Probably not. Apple has fully deprecated the whole of the old QuickTime C and QTKit frameworks in Mavericks, and FCP7 relies heavily on those. They might be there in Mojave or Tahoe or Catalina (or whatever Cali nickname comes after Mavericks), but betting on them being there after Mavericks isn't a good wager.

Best,
Andy


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Bill Davis
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 11:13:54 pm

Just anecdotally, Last Friday I got a call from a client asking for the audio track from a spot from about 14 months ago. Thinking I would have to de-archive and re-install 7, load the project, and export the track, I was depressed about what I figured would be a good half day of client service necessitated grief.

I went looking for it in my Disk Librian archive and realized I'd actually done it in X!!!

Mounted the archive drive and BAM -the project loaded up and I had the job up and done in 2 minutes.

The point is NOT that this isn't just as possible with any other NLE. It surely is.

The point is that the longer you hang onto a system you know is dying, the more you delay starting to build a dependable new system for the future.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 7:16:22 pm

[Clint Wardlow] "FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?"

Yes.

Traditionally, Apple won't allow you to install older OSes on new machines, but they will, however, boot older OSes from external disks.

Keep a disk image around that has a clean OS install (Snow Leopard or Lion, ML if you're feeling lucky) with FCS3.

With the new MacPro, though, this presents a significant challenge as some programs might puke at the dual GPU, but this remains to be seen.


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Kent Beeson
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 7:19:04 pm

Was about to buy latest OS to upgrade from Snow Leopard - so I take it FC P 7.0.3/Studio 3 actually does work no problem on Mountain Lion then?


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Marcus Moore
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 7:33:53 pm

Seems to.



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Gerald Goldman
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 7:56:54 pm

"...so I take it FC P 7.0.3/Studio 3 actually does work no problem on Mountain Lion then?"

I have a MBP Retina running Mountain Lion and FCP7 works, but barely. It is very slow. It's as if the entire program was being emulated. I would be careful when upgrading.

Gerald Goldman
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Warren Eig
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 3:18:53 pm

FCP 7.0.3 works perfectly fine with no difference in speed or slow down on a 15" MacBook Pro Quad 2.4 and a 2008 8-Core 2.8 Mac Pro both running 10.8.4. The Mac Pro has a Kona 3 and it still works fine.

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Dave Gage
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 8:27:43 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "but they will, however, boot older OSes from external disks."

Are you sure about that? My two Macbook Pros are still on 10.6.8 (and can that way) and will be there as long as I can get away with it. That would be great if it is true in case we pick up a newer MBP and need to run Snow Leopard for CS4 or something similar.

I know this doesn't apply to the newer OS's and a PPC. If it did, it would make life much easier for me until I've got the dough to upgrade my boys Dual G5 to an Intel machine. That Dual G5 is still a good machine for some things (Logic Pro), but I can't go past 10.5.8 with it, and my oldest son (10) is getting into programming, Motion 5, and 3D graphics, but can't do much of it in Leopard. Until we can afford a computer upgrade, I put Mountain Lion on an external drive in a Voyager Drive Dock and when my wife or I are not using our MB Pros, he can get in and play around with these programs that don't run in Leopard. Not ideal, but works.

Thanks,
Dave


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Gary Huff
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 9:39:48 pm

[Dave Gage] "Are you sure about that? My two Macbook Pros are still on 10.6.8 (and can that way) and will be there as long as I can get away with it."

What year are your MacBook Pros? Did they originally come installed with Lion? (Late 2011 and onwards).


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Dave Gage
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 4:59:43 am

[Gary Huff] "What year are your MacBook Pros?"

1. I have an early 2011 17" i7 that did ship with Snow Leopard.

2. My wife has my older 2009 MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.53 15". I believe this originally shipped with Leopard.

[Gary Huff] "Did they originally come installed with Lion? (Late 2011 and onwards)."
I am actually considering picking up another 17" Quad-Core i7 if I can swing it and they are still available as a refurb in the Apple Store later this year. The 17" size is easier for me to see than the 15" models and I really like the upgradeability and portability of it. With 16GB RAM and 2 internal drives, it's plenty fast for what I do. I'm disappointed the 15" retina displays are not upgradeable except for the hard drive or I would consider one of them for the next MBP upgrade.

Dave


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Gary Huff
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 1:38:46 pm

[Dave Gage] "1. I have an early 2011 17" i7 that did ship with Snow Leopard.

2. My wife has my older 2009 MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.53 15". I believe this originally shipped with Leopard."


That's why you can still boot Snow Leopard. I think the idea in question was installing Snow Leopard on a Mac that originally came installed with either Lion or Mountain Lion.

I have the same Mac you do (17" Early 2011) and I've easily gone back and forth between Snow Leopard, Lion, and Mountain Lion (though settled on ML...working very well for me).


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 3:04:51 pm

[Gary Huff] "hat's why you can still boot Snow Leopard. I think the idea in question was installing Snow Leopard on a Mac that originally came installed with either Lion or Mountain Lion."

You can't, at least in my experience, install older software on to newer machine from the install disks.

However, if you have an older disk that has an older OS on it, you can BOOT the mac from that disk.

It is a good idea to do a clean install on Snow Leopard or whatever you want and FCS3, then make a disk image of that.

This way you can reimage any disk at any time and have a bootable working disk from which to work off of.

I hope that makes sense.


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Dave Gage
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 5:22:31 pm

[Gary Huff] "That's why you can still boot Snow Leopard. I think the idea in question was installing Snow Leopard on a Mac that originally came installed with either Lion or Mountain Lion."

Yes, that is indeed the question. In theory then, I may be able to boot from an external drive with Leopard on it (or not). I think I have one that I can try later. I doubt it, but I will try.

It would be nice to know though that if I picked up a Retina 15" down the road that ships with ML (or a refurb that originally shipped with Lion) I could still occasionally boot into 10.6.8 if needed.
--

Gary, I think I'll start another thread now so I don't keep veering away from this subject, but as I mentioned in a post yesterday, I'm considering picking up a second 2011 17" MBP while they are still available in the Apple Refurb store. I haven't been as happy with a computer since my old G3 Pismo, which was rock solid. Until Apple comes out with a new line of MBPs with similar specs to the coming Mac Pro, I believe this 2011 17" is plenty laptop computer for what I do for at least another couple of years.

Thanks,
Dave


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 2, 2013 at 10:38:26 pm

[Dave Gage] "Are you sure about that?"

I'm not 100% sure of everything, but every new Mac that I have worked with can boot older OSes.

You jsut can't install the OS directly from install disks or downloads.

The MacOS has been pretty solid in this regard.

The new MacPro does stand to change that, though, along with Mavericks.

Jeremy


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Dave Gage
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 5:07:00 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "
[Dave Gage] "Are you sure about that?"

I'm not 100% sure of everything, but every new Mac that I have worked with can boot older OSes."


I think the reason I questioned the ability to run an older OS even via an external drive is that I believe one of the local Apple Store or 800 number Geniuses told me it wasn't possible back when I bought my first MBP. You'd think I'd know by now not to listen to them. Except for under warranty repair work, I won't even go into an Apple Store any more, at least not when I have a question or problem. I do buy from the online Apple Store though when there is a good deal on a refurb as I did with my last two MBPs.

Dave


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 2:01:03 am

I have an entire EOL package frozen: MBP 17" (last model before Thunderbolt), Snow Leopard and FCS3. It seems to be a sweet spot for FCP7, and I use it for the dozens of old FCP7 (and 6) projects that I often use.

But I am very careful about any updates to anything, and try to avoid ANY Apple updates for any reason.

I recall a couple years back when a ProApps update came thru, mostly to affect Logic. But the new frameworks files installed suddenly made DVDStudio Pro break (another obsolete app & format, right?). I had to wade into Time Machine and do a swap with the previous version files.

A subsequent ProApps update worked fine -- but it scared me off touching anything on the machine.

Just talk to the video pros who cannot play old tape formats, or for that matter early Mac adopters who have a stack of floppies populated with old Word, MacWrite, FileMaker and other docs that are a nightmare to access.

Frozen in time!

Doug D


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Dave Gage
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 3, 2013 at 5:26:41 am

[Douglas K. Dempsey] "
But I am very careful about any updates to anything, and try to avoid ANY Apple updates for any reason."


I too have been burned numerous times doing upgrades that I didn't really need for new functionality, but instead was just "trying to stay current".

Back in the G5 days, I had a webcam and was running OS 10.4.8 which we used all the time with my toddlers to iChat with the grandparents. I foolishly upgraded to 10.4.9 (just to stay current), and lost the ability to use the webcam and have my kids iChat. I waited patiently for 10.4.10 to come out months later and "fix" it. Sadly, it didn't. I had to wait until 10.4.11 more months later to finally be able to iChat again. I think it was at that point that I began always turning off all auto-updates from all manufacturers.

Some people never learn... A month ago, I again foolishly updated my install of MS Office that was working fine. Now, when I quit Word and Excel, I get an error that the app "quit unexpectedly". It works, but still.

Dave
Snow Leopard, FCP X 10.0.4


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Gary Huff
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 4, 2013 at 3:39:09 pm

[Dave Gage] "Some people never learn..."

Count me as one of those. I "stay current" often, and have yet to be burned like that. Either development has gotten better (though I did wait almost a year to move up to Mountain Lion) or I'm simply living on borrowed time!


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Gary Huff
Re: FCP Studio, are the wheels about to fall off?
on Jul 4, 2013 at 3:14:14 pm

[Douglas K. Dempsey] "Just talk to the video pros who cannot play old tape formats, or for that matter early Mac adopters who have a stack of floppies populated with old Word, MacWrite, FileMaker and other docs that are a nightmare to access."

Those situations kill me, because I always intend to boot those up and get them into newer formats...some day.

Anybody got a Zip Drive that can read 250MB disks, or one of those Super Drives I can borrow? ;-)


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