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Dustin Parsons
Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 11:09:29 pm

I have a 2006 MacPro 1,1 and was recently looking for ways to extend it's life. I came up with a number of things I can do but, I'm wondering if it's worth it based on the cost.

Here's what I was looking at:
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT: $129
or
ATI Radeon 5770: $250
32 GB RAM: $819
STARDOM Pro Drive: $130
750GB SSD Hybrid Seagate Drive: $168 x 2 = $336
2.0TB Western Digital Caviar Hard Drive: $108 x 2 = $216

I figure a new video card, more ram, and a SSD hybrid drive for my OS/applications would probably result in some significant speed improvements but is it enough to justify the $1752 price tag? Is anyone running a system like this? I want to figure out how well this system would work for things like 3D text or Optical Flares in After Effects, 1080 to 2K footage in FCP or Premiere, etc... before I drop the $.

If this system would still choke on most things I'm doing now (on a newer MacPro) I figure it's best to just put the money towards a brand new computer – unfortunately, with the new MacPro's supposedly coming out this Fall I feel like that's probably what my new system should be rather than getting something like an iMac (the shelf life on those can't be that long). Decisions... decisions...

Any and all help/suggestions are appreciated.

Thanks!


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Don Scioli
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 11:23:19 pm

This new info may convince you to hold off a bit:

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/06/05/apple-planning-something-really-differe...


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 5, 2013 at 11:55:03 pm

I wouldn't put anymore money into a 1,1 Mac Pro. OS X 10.7.x is the last Mac OS to support them (because they are 32-bit machines, not 64-bit) and I figure $2,000 towards any other Mac will yield a better ROI than trying to beef up a 7yr old machine.




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Bob Zelin
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:18:22 am

Andrew is correct. You have a 32 bit machine that is not supported by any modern PCI card manufacturer that is only writing 64 bit drivers. This 1,1 was manufacturered in 2006. It's 2013. You can go onto ebay, and buy a wonderful 2009 4,1 Machine for about $1000, and then run modern cards and 64 bit software. Do you really want to put money into a 2006 clunker, that can't be used next year ? You know, AVID's used to cost $80,000, and no one can use these old products anymore (new AVID software is $995). And Sony 1" VTR's used to cost $80,000. ITS OVER. However, your 1,1 will work wonderfully in your office to print invoices, make labels, and let you surf porn on the internet.

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
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Dustin Parsons
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:36:58 am

[Bob Zelin] "You can go onto ebay, and buy a wonderful 2009 4,1 Machine for about $1000, and then run modern cards and 64 bit software."

I think you might be on to something here... Need to crunch some numbers but that's probably the best way to go.

[Bob Zelin] "However, your 1,1 will work wonderfully in your office to print invoices, make labels, and let you surf porn on the internet. "

hahaha! At least it's not completely useless. Thanks Bob


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Warren Eig
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 3:56:44 am

Bob, as ever you are a poet!

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Dustin Parsons
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:28:11 am

[Andrew Kimery] "I figure $2,000 towards any other Mac will yield a better ROI than trying to beef up a 7yr old machine."

Yeeeah, I was kind of thinking the same thing but I don't know if an non-upgradable iMac is a good choice either (especially since I have a 30" Dell monitor and would rather not pay for the iMacs screen that I wouldn't use).


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Lance Bachelder
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 6:54:07 am

Yeah I've got a 2.1 gathering dust in the corner - recently replaced by top of the line iMac with 32GB RAM and Fusion drive - great machine with an unexpected side effect - I rarely turn on my AC anymore - the iMac runs so cool I'm saving tons of money on my AC.

Bob's suggestion is also a good one though you'll never have USB 3 or Thunderbolt - 2 things I could never live without.

By the way I have a 30" Dell and Dreamcolor - Dell attached via Apple Thunderbolt to dualink DVI adapter and Dreamcolor attched via BMD Thunderbolt to HDMI - so your Dell will be well used.

Uber iMacs now available in Apple refrub store for huge discount! Or wait for the new MacPro...

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Downtown Long Beach, California
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1680680/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Update MacPro or...
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:53:56 pm

Or you could pick up a Mac Pro case for under 100 bucks, and do what this guy did (16 pages of pics of the process):

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1074089

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Bret Williams
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:31:33 am

Yeah. I have that machine. It's junk compared to a 2011 iMac or 2012 iMac. After all those upgrades, you still won't have USB3, thunderbolt, or a processor or GPU as good as an iMac. Nor will you have sandy or ivy bridge which will further enhance FCP X. And have you looked at the price of 32mb for iMac? About $150. iMac comes with a nice 27" monitor as well.


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Bernard Newnham
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 8:22:41 am

Not.

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/54318

I'm just endlessly astonished at the loyalty people show for a company that long ago lost interest in them. Like a teenage girlfriend you just can't get over even though she's now married to someone else, 32, 280lb and has three kids.

MacPros are now museum items, just like my G4. iMacs are really only suited by their limitations to the reception areas of advertising companies and facilities houses.

Out there, if you just look, there is the most enormous bewildering variety of gear that is not just up to date, but continues to change and update by the month. You just have to open the door of your locked in little room and look around.

Bernie


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Steve Connor
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 1:05:37 pm

[Bernard Newnham] " iMacs are really only suited by their limitations to the reception areas of advertising companies and facilities houses. "

Rubbish

[Bernard Newnham] "You just have to open the door of your locked in little room and look around. "

I know you keep bashing on about how fast and wonderful new PCs are, but this is predominantly an FCPX forum so it's no big surprise we use Macs.

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


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Herb Sevush
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 2:02:48 pm

[Steve Connor] "I know you keep bashing on about how fast and wonderful new PCs are, but this is predominantly an FCPX forum so it's no big surprise we use Macs."

His system description would fit a Hackintosh, which might be a reasonable way to go depending on Apple's next move.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin' attached to nothin'
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Gary Huff
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 3:23:29 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "I'm just endlessly astonished at the loyalty people show for a company that long ago lost interest in them."

I thought the same thing, but I'm willing to give Apple the benefit of the doubt, seeing as how they are making substantial improvements to FCPX.

If they release OSX 10.9 with a flatter look thanks to Ive (the Calendar skumorphism is really ugly), and it doesn't break anything substantial over Mountain Lion, it will be more evidence in their favor that they are actually trying to remain a viable solution in the creative space.

And as Herb mentioned, one can always Hackintosh! Though I will admit, the new iMac is pretty sexy.


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Dustin Parsons
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 5:18:00 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "I'm just endlessly astonished at the loyalty people show for a company that long ago lost interest in them."

Well, right now I'm still cutting on FCP and I need to have the ability to use FCPX if any clients require that and since Premiere, AE, and Avid all work on Macs too that's where I have to be. I'm not happy about having to pay more for the hardware but I've been using Macs all my life and really prefer the OS to Windows.


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Bernard Newnham
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 5:26:23 pm

[Steve Connor] "[Bernard Newnham] " iMacs are really only suited by their limitations to the reception areas of advertising companies and facilities houses. "

Rubbish

[Bernard Newnham] "You just have to open the door of your locked in little room and look around. "

I know you keep bashing on about how fast and wonderful new PCs are, but this is predominantly an FCPX forum so it's no big surprise we use Macs.

Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum"




Indeed.



Apple computers that use the x86 architecture are PCs, just either our of date or lacking in the ability to modify or easily expand. Try putting a GeForce 680 or a Haswell CPU in your iMac.

I still have my G4, though mostly gutted now, because it's such a pretty machine - I can't bear to chuck it in the skip. When the Hackintosh gets too old - though I don't use it much these days - it too will be gutted and its case and drives will be recycled into some new machine. Try doing that with your iMac.

Bernie


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Steve Connor
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 5:53:10 pm

[Bernard Newnham] " Try doing that with your iMac."

I will do as I have always done with my iMacs since my first BondiBlue one, I will sell it for a reasonable price and move up to a new one, knowing full well that cost of my non-upgradeable computer was covered within 3 months of buying it.

The extra costs involved in buying Macs can be made up on resale value


Steve Connor

There's nothing we can't argue about on the FCPX COW Forum


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Marcus Moore
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 6, 2013 at 9:23:26 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "Try doing that with your iMac."

Or don't. I don't have time to play computer mechanic. Editing keeps me busy enough.

I've been running my business off a mixture of laptops and now an iMac for several years, waiting for a reason to move back to a tower since I moved off my Q5 Quad in 2008.

I keep the hardware for 2 years (usually a good duration to see a real bump in performance), then avail myself of the machine's astounding resale value and move up. I'd say it probably costs me $1,000 per year [maybe less] to do this. Insanely little to invest relative to what I bring in annually.

I don't see anything wrong with what you're doing, but it's not in everyone's interest to be a tinkerer. I sure as heck don't feel like I'm being "taken". I'm making a but-load of money off the back of this $2,500 2011 iMac.

Regrets. Zero.



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Bernard Newnham
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 7, 2013 at 8:03:07 am

[Dustin Parsons] " I'm not happy about having to pay more for the hardware but I've been using Macs all my life and really prefer the OS to Windows."

Which Windows would that be?

At the flying club where I'm a member, I look after the computers of which we now have four. Because we run mostly on cast-offs and rebuilds each one has a different operating system - Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Linux Mint (which was OpenSuse till recently).

XP - old now and showing it, but pretty solid and reliable
W7 - Excellent. All a desktop operating system should be
W8 - Complete rubbish - can't find anything. It's as if they set out to make things difficult
Linux Mint - Like all Linux, very user friendly as long as you don't want to do anything. There to stop people playing with a mission critical system.

So - which Windows don't you like? I switch between each of these and OSX, just in the same way one might get out of one make of car and into another. No big deal - where's the switch for the headlights?

Bernie


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Gary Huff
Re: Update MacPro or not?
on Jun 8, 2013 at 5:49:03 pm

[Bernard Newnham] "So - which Windows don't you like?"

You know, I really don't like Windows. It does things like lets me merge two folders together and update only the changed files. Mountain Lion gives me the option to that, but doesn't work (it throws up a cryptic -1 error when trying), and I just like how ML keeps me on my toes like that. Windows is too simple for that kind of job where you need to update all 120GB of data when you've already copied half of it at lunch and are in a huge time crunch. With OSX, I have to copy it all over again, thus making sure my data is DOUBLE secure!


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