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Kaito Tanno
Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 3:15:15 pm

Shocked ... yes.

Major omissions ... yes.

Going to affect my work flow right now .... only if I choose to let it.

I think one needs to look at it as a live beta and give it a few months.

The concept and architecture is right and Apple is working on an update right now. The team at Apple needed to get it out, finished or not, so credit to a team on extremely limit resources and an official lower priority project.

Although they do not comment on future releases, I am sure Apple will add in the FCPS 3 / FCP 7 import option, external monitor support (Can't live without my FSI/Dream Color Monitors), a networking structure for projects, RED support and XML?import, export options etc etc. Yes, these are big issues if they are not there, but it's certainly not huge code to add.

I like the low price point and having the finer tools supplied by 3rd party developers. It's much healthier for the industry. I am going to use Resolve 8 for my FCP-X color work and will explore the audio options in a couple of months. Compressor and Motion are pretty damn good and as for the price, AMAZING!

I see people b!tch-in about paying $300 to a specialised Audio developers etc for plugins and other audio compatible apps. Again, I think choice is a good thing, it drives innovation, increases options and lowers prices. As long as Apple provides FCP-X as the basis with the necessary core features and still allows specialised 3rd party add ons, I am fine with that. Think Canon 5D.

I think the really interesting point that has been missed is that Apple, Black Magic, Intel and others are saying a 27" iMac with Thunderbolt can now do what my spec'd out Mac Pro (Last of the Mac Pros?) can with numerous cards, RAIDs etc at 25% of the price.

If Apple chooses not to code in and release the core half a dozens futures currently omitted in this "Pre-Release", then we can all just move from Apple to Adobe and Avid.

I still have a totally kitted out Arriflex Super 35mm camera originally worth tens-hundred's of thousands of dollars, but never really use it as I mostly now shoot on a Canon 5D and RED. I am definitely selling my Mac Pro.

Chill out, .... give it a bit of time, we all still have options. Adobe and Avid are not going anywhere.



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John Berpskin
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 4:06:00 pm

Well said and spot on.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 5:08:36 pm

[Kaito Tanno] "I think one needs to look at it as a live beta and give it a few months. "

...a live beta that forces people to pay for the privilege of helping Apple work out the software's bugs and deficiencies. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Ben Scott
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 5:29:39 pm

theres lots wrong but is it typical of closed source software with no real roadmap

if you need that reliable roadmap look to opensource and become a developer, go ubuntu

its always been like this

I am shocked that people think its any different

the fact the program runs and runs so fast is a miracle for a 1.0 release and I think something to congratulate the team that built it for

in fact I am really starting to get sick of why its not up to scratch, its perfect for many jobs and not yet ready for others. It has the hooks for developers to have running well in a few months time and really has some fantastic concepts.


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Dave LaRonde
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 5:48:55 pm

[Ben Scott] "its always been like this"

Oh, baloney. That is sheer and utter nonsense. What rock have you been living under?

When a software developer comes out with a new version of an application, does the new version have more utility and features or LESS utility and features than the current version? Apple's new FCP has less utility and features than the current Final Cut Pro Suite.

When a software developer comes out with the new version, does it immediately stop supporting the current version, or does it support the older version for a while as people adopt the new one? Apple immediately cut off support for Final Cut Suite when it introduced FCP X.

I'm glad you like the new speed, but don't you DARE tell me that Apple's actions as enumerated above are either 1) the way a truly reputable company treats its customers or 2) is the way it's always been.

If that's what you truly think, may I interest you in the purchase of a certain bridge in Brooklyn?
I can get it for you wholesale....

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Kaito Tanno
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 5:45:34 pm

Of course I am not 100% happy with this at all, but we have to deal with it or move to another company / platform.

I guess what I am saying is,that after years of waiting to get to 64 bit, I think we can give another 6-8 weeks . Apple makes mistakes, but it also works to correct them. I know for a fact that they review and respond to user feedback.

Remember, Apple made money from the hardware associated with FCP, ie: Mac Pros etc. As we stand today, Mac Pros do not sell in volume at all. It may be a viable business model for Avid, but it represents a very small percentage of Apple's income.

The next couple / few months will tell. Based on what I have heard, Apple is working on it, but who knows for sure. One thing which is clear, film and tape really is finally on the way out, whether we like it or not.



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John Berpskin
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 6:26:07 pm

"I'm glad you like the new speed, but don't you DARE tell me that Apple's actions as enumerated above are either 1) the way a truly reputable company treats its customers or 2) is the way it's always been. "

Actually, they made a very similar move from os9 to osX and people cried foul then too bit it seemed to work out.


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J Hussar
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 24, 2011 at 7:16:00 pm

That's nonsense.

1 OS 9 was always available after OSX - I think it still can be found.
2. They incorporated 'classic' in OS 9 so you could run your older apps. From wikipedia:

Classic, or Classic Environment, was a hardware and software abstraction layer in Mac OS X that allowed applications compatible with Mac OS 9 to run on the Mac OS X operating system. Classic is supported on PowerPC-based Macs running versions of Mac OS X up to v10.4 Tiger.


So it worked for 4 iterations.

The concerns and anger are legit.

If they came out with this and gave it another name that would be one thing, or called it 'iMovie Pro' - which is what it actually is (notice it opens legacy iMovie files - why was that so easy to do if it is all 'new' - there would not be this hue and cry.



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Nigel Thompson
Re: Let's all panic together, ready? ... 1, 2,3 GO! / NO?
on Jun 25, 2011 at 12:09:37 am

Lol
I'm sorry but I totally cracked up when I saw the what the thread read....... Lolol

totally agree. Wait and see then make a decision

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