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Richard Cardonna
Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 2:30:46 pm

Reading adobes facebook and twitter makes this forum look like Sunday school. Its like 99% against the cthe cloud. Hope this has an effect but adibes greed is mightier than our needs.

Richard


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 2:38:49 pm

Yup...all 66 angry users - now what percentage might that be of those who use Adobe products? A quarter of a hundredth of one percent? Not quite all the Adobe users marching in the street - more like three people protesting at the super bowl...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Richard Cardonna
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 3:00:51 pm

Statistics dont work that way. Those 66 you mention plus others in other forums can represent many dozens if not hundreds of thousands. And adobe knows this.

Richard


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Michael Sanders
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 5:03:48 pm

A good friend is a local GP (doctor) here in the UK.

I asked him once what were his thoughts about people looking up their symptoms online first and coming in with printiouts of this condition and that condition.

His reply was quite funny. The problem is on the whole people only bother to complain when something is wrong or really serious.

Most of us, when we're happy with something say nothing. This makes PR/Marketers life hard.

Michael Sanders
London Based DP/Editor


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Craig Seeman
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 6:34:23 pm

My take is that it's quite possible Adobe knows how many skip upgrades and how important ongoing funding is to development.

They may have determined that some portion would jump aboard and another go away and that those going away aren't that profitable. I don't doubt a lot of the complainers are the "part time" users who want the option to skip upgrades.

Given that I've read the numbers moving to Cloud exceeding their expectations they may have decided that losing the less profitable puts them in better shape. Keep in mind this push will add Cloud users as well as lose others. That might be an overall plus in their accounting.



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Chris Jacek
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 7:16:24 pm

I think there are maybe 2 unintended consequences of this move by Adobe. The first, more obvious consequence may be increased piracy. Even though it is hard to imagine any MORE piracy than there is now for their products, I think about my situation as a teacher and facilitator at a college. The CC is nowhere near as convenient for me to implement multiple seats for my program. The Teams option may be logistically solid, but at $40 a month, the cost is way too high for our budget. We currently pay about $6 a month for our maintenance license for Production Premium.

Going forward, the only option I see is to require the students to buy their own CC subscriptions at $20 a month (not really a bad price) to use on their laptops (which are required for the program). Many may buy it, but I believe many will not. And since the software is required for class, those who don't pay will find other ways to get the software. Once one student figures out how to get a pirated copy, word will obviously spread. Not a good scenario.

I believe the longer-term consequence of this move by Adobe, coupled with Apple's FCPX debacle, and the possible demise of Avid, is greater use of open-source software. I have to think that those who are involved with Lightworks are happy to see companies like Apple and Adobe make unpopular decisions. Quite frankly, I'd imagine that most of us have this secret hope in the backs of our minds (or front) that Lightworks will evolve into the best NLE in the market, and that would truly revolutionize the industry.

I am actually not as angered as most by Adobe move, but I am not exactly happy either. I think they are having their LeBron James moment. They made a decision that is going to be somewhat unpopular no matter what, but would be understandable to most, and turned it into a much bigger deal because of the way they did it. A more measured phase-out would probably have been more popular. The same thing happened with the immediacy of the FCP7 death. If we learned anything from LeBron, it that sometimes the way you do things can have more impact than the thing itself.

Professor, Producer, Editor
and former Apple Employee


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 9:12:10 pm

they're getting desperate: some adobe PR guy is googling pretentious quotes and sticking them up now.

https://twitter.com/Adobe/status/331844559501942787

'If you foster the overlap of creative fields, tap the critical mass & foster attribution, you have a creative meritocracy'

They're attributing that beauty to the behance guy - who presumably has an adobe PR guy screaming at him to say something deeply meaningful about hire purchase software.

So fret not everyone - adobe aren't on a tapped out subscriber cash grab - they're actually remaking society and reality in their own creative image.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 9:34:34 pm

Ok -so now this is cheap.

https://twitter.com/adaxem/status/331873660317081600

Does anyone feel good faith from a company willing to wring it out of charities and underfunded cultural bodies all of a sudden?

Apparently someone just tried to put this question to Shantanu Narayen at adobe Max, the reply was -

CreativeCloudmmmmCreativeCloudsssssCreativeCloKKCreativeCloCreativeCloCreaCrrrrraaaaaaaiii.

then he started climbing over people screaming for them to hand over their wallets. then he was restrained and the press conference was shut down.

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Dave Gage
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 9:41:14 pm

Thoughts from Macintouch.com are basically the same-
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/applications/index.html#d07may2013

Dave


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 9:52:38 pm

some of the stuff there makes here polite, this one has a ring to it:

"For someone starting out, it's a slamming deal, especially if you use all the tools. But maybe they don't understand just yet the ebb and flow of professional life. Money comes in, but sometimes it doesn't, and the bank wants the mortgage payment regardless. I could buy a Suite when times were flush, and coast for a while when times were a little lean and still work. With a rental model, an extended period of tight cash might mean I would have to make the choice between putting food on the table and working. Then, suddenly I'm without the tools of my livelihood. With a perpetual license, we all had the means of production, and could do with it as we pleased. With a rental license, you're working for the man. As far as I'm concerned, that's f**#ed up."

http://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Jason Porthouse
Re: Adobes social media is crying foul.
on May 7, 2013 at 11:19:37 pm

[Aindreas Gallagher] "some of the stuff there makes here polite, this one has a ring to it:

"For someone starting out, it's a slamming deal, especially if you use all the tools. But maybe they don't understand just yet the ebb and flow of professional life. Money comes in, but sometimes it doesn't, and the bank wants the mortgage payment regardless. I could buy a Suite when times were flush, and coast for a while when times were a little lean and still work. With a rental model, an extended period of tight cash might mean I would have to make the choice between putting food on the table and working. Then, suddenly I'm without the tools of my livelihood. With a perpetual license, we all had the means of production, and could do with it as we pleased. With a rental license, you're working for the man. As far as I'm concerned, that's f**#ed up."
"


This.

I'm both a freelance gun-for-hire and have a small boutique shop. My ageing FCP7 suite suits 99% of my work, can be a little slow now in renders and the like - but it owes me nothing. In fact, I probably paid for it very quickly - and for the last 5 years it's been making me money.

But there have been times when I've been hired for jobs without my kit - lots of small indies have their own now - and then I have a choice - pay Adobe each month, or have no kit at home I can go play with, or have a tinker on a freebie project (which can no longer be free - no more pro-bono work with the Cloud) or just do a quick revision for that client who you've known for years and it'll only take a minute and 'you'd not normally charge but you see...'

To me, regardless of the benefits it brings, the restriction of having to pay month on month, not being able to use MY tools to do MY work the way I choose - that leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

Jason

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