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Craig Seeman
Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 3:30:32 pm

How to make money on violating copyrights!
http://www.motionvfx.com/mblog/how_to_make_money_on_violating_copyrights,p2...

Maybe this says a lot about the economics of FCPX plugins.



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Michael Phillips
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 4:56:55 pm

Certainly not condoning violation of copyrights or any intellectual property but it is interesting at a high level what the industry is going through at this time. As a holder of several patents, I see violations all over the place. It is up to the company to pursue legal action at the cost that it entails. There are so many rules and strategies associated with it that in the end, it's the lawyers that end up winning. ;) I find that patent filing and granted patents are mainly a defensive counter move when being sued for patent violation as well as the right to do the process yourself. In the example in this thread, it is pretty clear with a difference matte between the layers that the similarities of "grain and noise" are identical.

That aside, it was ineresting to me to see how many employees these companies have to create the product offerings and the pressure from potential customers who want everything for free or hardly nothing. That only works when you have something that it is attached to that is of greater value to sell, protect, or grow market share. For example, Redcine X Pro from Red is free. Resolve is free but Grant has a great philosophy to back that strategy up and an ecosystem to back that up with what is available now as well as whatever he has in mind in the future. Apple has it with FCPX - between hardware, operating system, iTunes only purchase, etc it is it's own singular ecosystem. I would not be surprised if Apple only allowed plug-ins to be installed into FCPX via iTunes in the future as a strategy, getting an ensure 30% of that revenue as well.

As the prices drop, volume sales must go up to stay in business. motionVFX has 15 employees. Each one making enough salary to make a living, raise a family, perhaps buy a home. But the new mentality of free to no cost because it's software is fascinating and concerning at the same time - content is fast becoming that way as well and you've seen the stories of how much money the artist actually gets in the back end. There are more distribution platforms out there for all this, but marketing costs, competitive pressure all lead to a difficult endeavor, be it software products or content. There is truth to the saying; "there are a lot of first time filmmakers, not a whole lot of second time ones." And getting a distribution deal does not mean you're making a living. I've lived that one first hand as a content creator.


Michael


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Bill Davis
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 5:14:49 pm

The age old nexus where commerce and morals intersect.

Interesting to see a solid bit of the "intellectual property" argument from the content creators perspective.

It's certainly becoming a brave new world where the digital clone/download thing changes things so rapidly.

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Mark Dobson
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 6:12:36 pm

Being inspired by one product to create an alternate one in the same area is often the way it works in music and the arts. Paul McCartney was inspired by Pet Sounds and that led to Sgt Pepper. (Which led to the Stones most abysmal album Their Satanic Majesties Request)

But slightly altering an existing product and simply re-branding it is theft. And probably quite lucrative as well. With the standard FCPXPlugin at $49 you only need to sell 500 units to make $12,250. Multiply that by 10 other products and you have got a nice little business with very low overheads and staffing costs.

But then you get lazy and forget to cover your tracks like a recent mugger arrested by police following his footsteps in the snow.

And it must be very difficult to get legal with another international internet business so probably the best outcome that Symon Masiak can hope for is that once the people who have ripped off his products have been outed and shamed they will desist.

The other way is for everybody to totally boycott the offending company. Word spreads very fast and this could be highly effective.


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Herb Sevush
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 7:15:13 pm

[Mark Dobson] "Which led to the Stones most abysmal album Their Satanic Majesties Request)"

Satanic Majesties is a very underrated album. At that point in time every Stones album was a reflection of the Beatles Album that proceeded it and while not up to the level of Beggars Banquet, Let It Bleed or Exiles, it isn't nearly as execrable as something like Goat Heads Soup. Besides, it had the great 3D cover and on the inside a maze that had no solution - both a prefect accompaniment to whatever hallucinogens the album was made to be listened to.

Why don't we sing this song all together
Open our heads let the pictures come
And if we close all our eyes together
Then we will see where we all come from


Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin' attached to nothin'
"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Mark Dobson
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 7:27:11 pm

[Herb Sevush] "it had the great 3D cover and on the inside a maze that had no solution"

Yeah that was good but the only song that has stood the test of time is 'She's a Rainbow'. Brian Jones used to live nearby in AA Milne's old house . . . until he took his final swim. The house is up for sale at the moment and not shifting, partly because weird people turn up at all times of night and day to visit the shrine. When the pool was re-tiled a while ago the old tiles ended up on ebay.


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 8:53:51 pm

Satanic Majesty is one of my favorite Stones albums - Brian Jones was at the apex of his creative/crazed genius, and my next favorite album, Beggars Banquet, was yet to come. I stopped buying Stones albums after Beggers Banquet, feeling the creative spark brought to the mix by Brian Jones was gone, and thus the Stones' spark of genius that took them way past straight ahead rock. Everything after that was "just" rock and roll, and their early stuff (12 x 5, Aftermath, December's Children...) far surpassed their later stuff for great rock and roll/R&B. Sorry to take the thread in a different direction...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Herb Sevush
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 9:14:33 pm

[Joseph W. Bourke] "Sorry to take the thread in a different direction..."

No need to apologize when discussing great art. I disagree with your analysis to the point where I can't see any decline in Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers and then Exiles on Main Street. For me the decline only started after Exiles, with a very nice reprise for Black and Blue and Some Girls.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin' attached to nothin'
"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 11:53:01 pm

You're giving me more credit than I'm due by calling it an "analysis". It's just my own weird personal taste in Stones' music. I also own all the Bonzo Dog DooDah Band albums - does that give you a hint?

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Steve Connor
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 9:30:02 pm

[Joseph W. Bourke] "Sorry to take the thread in a different direction..."

But this is the HOME of threads going in different directions!

Steve Connor
'It's just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure"


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Helmut Kobler
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 5:51:33 pm

This is truly outrageous. I'll pass it along.

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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 5:56:36 pm

Truly appalling - if indeed it is true, which it certainly appears to be.

motionvfx do outstanding work across the board and don't deserve this kind of thing.

As Helmut says, make sure this story gets passed around.

Simon Ubsdell
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Lance Bachelder
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 7:19:57 pm

Shameful! I was wondering how Pixel folks were able to release plug-ins at such a furious pace. There marketing is impressive and I was happy to see more FCPX plugs hitting the market... but sadly, now we know the rest of the story. (stole that from Paul Harvey)

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California



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Steve Connor
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 8:43:09 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "motionvfx do outstanding work across the board and don't deserve this kind of thing.
"


Absolutely agree, I use their templates all the time.

Steve Connor
'It's just my opinion, with an occasional fact thrown in for good measure"


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Hank Perkins
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 12, 2013 at 8:24:35 pm

It is sad to see this happen. As a small potatoes newcomer to the FCPX realm, we saw this saturation of film grain/dust/vintage film/etc stuff early on. We decided to focus on motion design. Hopefully, more creative ideas will come to the FCPX arena soon. It cannot just be a revolving door of newcomers selling the latest light leaks $10 cheaper than the last guy!

I hope events like this do make the community and developers see the need and demand for more originality.

Best,

Hank

http://www.tangentfx.com


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Dan Stewart
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 13, 2013 at 1:53:02 am

Lets get them



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Charlie Austin
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on Feb 13, 2013 at 6:09:47 pm

[Dan Stewart] "Lets get them"

They apologized. It was a rogue employee. ;-) Hey, that excuse worked for the banks right?

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andrew sableton
Re: Trouble in FCPX plugin land - motionVFX investigates Pixel Film Studios
on May 2, 2013 at 4:45:41 pm

Any update on what's happening with this?


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