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alban egger
Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:24:10 am

Why are there so many posts now that are directly aimed at CS6 users? I think the time to debate if FCPX or not is long over. FCPX has its place in the market just like any other NLE and while FCPX users donĀ“t post their workflows in AVID forums, why do CS6 users do it here?

Is it hijacking by Adobe people or what is going on in here.


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:27:30 am

I think it's the "or not" part coming into play.

Tim


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Steve Connor
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:34:34 am

I don't think it's got that bad yet, it's going to take a while because people have spent so much time on here it might be difficult to leave!

Steve Connor
"Sometimes it's fun to poke an angry bear with a stickl"
Adrenalin Television


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Bobby Mosca
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 12:58:02 pm

This keeps coming up... Relax!


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 1:01:41 pm

It's not a forum about FC10. It has become a debate forum. Fc10 has been the predominant focus but with cs6 just released of course it will take over. Then another FC10 update will come and debate will shift back towards that as people discuss what has been added, altered, amended, improved, broken, eetc., then lag when cs6.5 comes out or avid do a big upgrade or whatever that will take over.

This is not a fc10 forum. There is one of those already. This is a general editing debate forum punctuated by wit, rants, ramdomness and occasional insanity and nonsense. And it is great for all those reasons.

If you are offended by people talking about cs6 I would suggest hanging out in the fc10 techniques forum. I doubt you will get any adobe posts in there.


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 1:04:17 pm

Oh it is also punctuated by name calling. Overtly by me, aimed at bill usually, and covertly by bill, usually aimed at everyone who hasn't 'got' FC10 yet.

These bits are also fun.


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 2:10:16 pm

[Jules bowman] " This is a general editing debate forum"


Then you could go with the name "General editing debate forum"

instead of of

"Apple FCPX or Not: The Debate"



I'm guessing you wouldn't get the same numbers though.


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 2:11:33 pm

Indeed you could. Or you could just leave it as FC10 or Not: the debate.

Which would take less effort?


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 3:03:42 pm

[Jules bowman] "Or you could just leave it as FC10 or Not: the debate.

Which would take less effort?
"


but be less accurate


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Steve Connor
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 3:08:07 pm

To be fair most debates on here end up talking about FCPX at some point and the PPro forum has got considerably busier over the last few days!

Steve Connor
"Sometimes it's fun to poke an angry bear with a stickl"
Adrenalin Television


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 3:11:06 pm

Perhaps, though I would suggest everything in this forum is and has been sparked from the FC10 debate, so the name is perfectly apt.

I guess if you want a new forum, you could ask the Cow folk to create one for you. Though ultimately, if the forum fulfils a purpose, which it does seem to, then does it matter what it is called. In my head it is called the flibble flobble bobble bibble boop forum, which makes more sense to me than anything you could suggest or offer up, but I don't need the Cow folk to amend it to that. I can live with its current title. Can't you?


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 3:13:19 pm

btw, how much effort is required to sit on one's butt and type words hehehe

Not to sound like my dad, but my, have things changed.

I had to swap out the distributor cap on a late model BMW the other day.

Now that took some effort ; )

(just having a little fun is all)


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Bret Williams
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 4:52:58 pm

How about the "FCP 7 is dead, NOW WHAT?" forum.


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Greg Andonian
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 6:30:54 am

Bret Williams How about the "FCP 7 is dead, NOW WHAT?" forum.

I like this idea!

______________________________________________
"THAT'S our fail-safe point. Up until here, we still have enough track to stop the locomotive before it plunges into the ravine... But after this windmill it's the future or bust."


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 7:45:02 pm

Clearly you are not a writer. But I will pose you a different question: How much energy does it take to follow a ball? It is a burst of energy to be sure. But what it also requires is focus. From production assistant all the way to the upper echelons of show business this is a profession that requires commitment and focus. Fixing an automobile of any sort or any era would be a lark for me. I always try to be careful in criticizing what other people do. Because I might be doing it tomorrow. Glad you're having fun.

Tim


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 8:44:49 pm

And clearly you are not a reader.

I wasn't talking about editing.

Try again.

Effort in "changing the name. As in typing a different name for a "forum"

Get it?

I suggested changing the name, then he implied too much effort. That's what I was referring to.

Too much effort to type in a different name sounded kind of funny to me.

So I was joking with him.

Get it?


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 8:52:26 pm

No, I do not "get it." But I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

Tim


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 9:25:58 pm

[TImothy Auld] "No, I do not "get it.""

hummmm



I wish you the best also


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 9:34:53 pm

if it weren't for the hummmm....I might really believe you wished me all the best. What' the hummmm hummmm about?

Tim


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 9:40:55 pm

To put a finer point on it why do you think it's necessary to add "hummmm?" If you wish me all the best then do so and leave it alone.

Tim


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:00:42 pm

I wrote the hummmm because I was surprised you still didn't understand what I was saying.

I could see the misread the first time, but after I explained it the second time and you said you didn't get it I was thinking how I should write it so you would.

Then I decided not to try to explain it again and just wish you the best like you did me.


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:06:49 pm

I guess you did not understand what I wrote either. I propose we let it go and not tax one another any longer.

Tim


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:13:47 pm

I understood it fine. That's why I didn't try explain it a third time. I just wished you the best.

Which I will again.


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 11:22:48 pm

And I wished you the best way back in this thread. I'm glad you understand, I do not need to hear from you anymore.

Tim


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 4:05:24 am

OK, if you will say "my bad" for misrepresenting my original reply I will let you have the last word.

I think that's fair.


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 7:29:47 am

I think I just watched two people swinging hand bags at each other via the written word.


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 1:03:14 pm

yep


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tony west
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 3:49:29 pm

I blame you Jules.

Your too much effort to type (forum head line) comment just cracked me up : ) hehehe


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 7:45:34 pm

"Adobe People"...is that a musical group in which one of the people wears a Premiere Pro hat, one wears an After Effects hat, etc.? I don't get the terminology here. It's pretty alienating, actually. I see a great politicization of the editing world here, when someone is an AVID person, an FCPX person, a Premiere Pro person. Wouldn't it just be simpler to refer to us all as Editors, who may well have tool preferences, but who cares? Cuts down on the feeling that some sort of attack is imminent.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 8:01:38 pm

I see those "Adobe People" all the time on the east end of Washington Square. And then there's the "FCP 7 project" on the north side - I hear they are over. Avid hangs out on the south side and while I hear they don't have a lot of ammo left they do have some pretty big guns. The Vegas people seem to hang out on Tompkins Square. FCP X? Financial District.

Tim


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Shane Ross
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 9:59:01 pm

Isn't that a line from a Beatles song?

"Oh, look at all Adobe people..."

Shane
Little Frog Post
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def


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TImothy Auld
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 20, 2012 at 10:03:52 pm

Where do they all come from...where do they all belong...

Tim


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Lance Bachelder
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 3:41:16 am

Imagine Final Cut 8... it's easy if you try.... Avid selling extra vapor... Adobe selling blue sky...

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California



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Tim Wilson
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 5:28:31 pm

All you need is shove, shove...shove it all, you dweeb


Although I should probably try to be more conciliatory, right?


All you need is love, love...shove it all, you dweeb


Is that better?

Tim Wilson
Associate Publisher, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COW Magazine
Twitter: timdoubleyou



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Fabien Daguerre
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 5:45:33 pm

Well I just had to laugh


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Chris Harlan
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 6:14:19 pm

Okay. That's funny.


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Tim Wilson
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 6:34:31 pm

Kidding aside, this is the most-read forum at the COW.

For you guys that have been here non-stop for 13 months (or 13 years), a lot of FCPX stuff may seem settled....although apparently not. But there are still people stopping in to this forum for the first time every day -- there are still nearly a million copies of that thing being downloaded every month, and guess what? It's causing debate!

As you've noticed, though, the majority of the traffic isn't necessarily about FCPX anymore. It's a place to talk about everything related to everything, which we haven't had on the COW in a while. Occasional needless friction notwithstanding, the forum is doing some pretty remarkable things.

Until we can figure out something better, my strong recommendation is to stay off threads that look like ground you've covered before. Why put yourself in the position of saying BUT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS to a bunch of people that may NEVER have talked about it?

...but the hottest threads right now are actually pretty fresh.

Anyone here cut a feature on FCPX? This one also turned into a great conversation about media management, workflow, and the best approaches to feature editing in general

Editing Scenario started as a query about corporate video approaches using X that covered feature requests, some great examples of X's strengths, and more

CS is released - so what now? Awesome thread that led to discussions on even more threads about Speedgrade, FCP vs Premiere, approaches to and quality of transitions in the two, and a thread suggesting that PPro CS6 as FCP 8 is, let's say, optimistic.


Think about it. Let's say we name this forum The Industry. Why would you go there? Wouldn't we still need an FCPX Debate forum? Emphatically, yes. And would any of you stop going to that forum? LOL I doubt it.

In the meantime, having this forum, with this name, is leading to some of the coolest threads I've seen in a long time.

I think Beatles song titles could be pretty fruitful though.

Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Tomorrow Never Knows
Run For Your Life
Helter Skelter
For No One
Help!

I'm also thinking of the Jimi Hendrix song "Love or Confusion."

Tim Wilson
Associate Publisher, Editor-in-Chief
Creative COW Magazine
Twitter: timdoubleyou



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Steve Connor
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 7:05:40 pm

[Tim Wilson] "I think Beatles song titles could be pretty fruitful though.
"


"We can work it out"? (For Bill and Jules)

Steve Connor
"Sometimes it's fun to poke an angry bear with a stickl"
Adrenalin Television


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Jules bowman
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 8:34:45 pm

Ha ha. Unlikely Steve, but ta :)

When I'm 64 bit

Yesterday

Maxwell's Silver Hammer (for me and Bill ;)


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Chris Harlan
Re: Subject of this sub-forum?
on May 21, 2012 at 11:03:23 pm

The Edit World, it is explodin'
With no project sharin', and timelines bloatin'
Who needs a fit-to-fill, or persistent out/in
When collisions you can ignore,
Because its a magnetic timeline you'e totin'
And even Larry Jordan has Premiere a floatin'

But you tell me,
Over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're going to grieve
In post production.

No, no--you don't believe
We're going to grieve
In post production

(With deepest apologies to the great P.F. Sloan)


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