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David Cherniack
Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 29, 2012 at 9:07:43 pm

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-technology-sneaks-2012/adobe-audition-cs6-s...

And this post from Durin Gleaves

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4300221#4300221

Gotta love a good tease...

David
AllinOneFilms.com


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 1:03:49 am

[David Cherniack] "
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/adobe-technology-sneaks-2012/adobe-audition-cs6-s.....

And this post from Durin Gleaves

http://forums.adobe.com/message/4300221#4300221

Gotta love a good tease...

David
AllinOneFilms.com

"


Some cool looking tools.


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Lance Bachelder
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 3:33:48 am

Meh...

Lance Bachelder
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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 4:18:12 am

[Lance Bachelder] "Meh...
"


Well, I know its not super-sexy, but that ADR tool--if it works as advertised--could be quite useful to me.


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Lance Bachelder
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 6:37:51 am

I'm far more impressed with the Logic 9 videos - never tried it but the editing features look fantastic. I agree the ADR thing could be cool - have to wait 'til NAB to see the full feature set etc.

Lance Bachelder
Writer, Editor, Director
Irvine, California



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Michael Gissing
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 9:57:46 am

I can't help wondering what use it is to have software to sync ADR in an audio system that is likely to be found in a video edit suite which lacks sound proofing, acoustic design and good microphones plus monitoring and experience to record ADR in the first place.

There has been ADR auto syncing software available for DAWs for over a decade so I see this as a curio and somewhat of a gimmick.

http://www.synchroarts.com/index.php?PAGEID=products&ID=vocalign


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Herb Sevush
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 12:17:07 pm

[Michael Gissing] "There has been ADR auto syncing software available for DAWs for over a decade so I see this as a curio and somewhat of a gimmick."

Lets say your cutting some dialogue and you want to cut out after person A says "food", but you can't because person B begins speaking over the word. This happens to me all the time and my first try is to find another instance of person A saying "food" in the clear and dropping it in. This tool would help make the match easier and save a bit of time. This also allows for a simple audio record of replacement lines without having to go to an ADR studio. It's not a big deal, but I like it.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 2:33:32 pm

[Herb Sevush] "[Michael Gissing] "There has been ADR auto syncing software available for DAWs for over a decade so I see this as a curio and somewhat of a gimmick."

Lets say your cutting some dialogue and you want to cut out after person A says "food", but you can't because person B begins speaking over the word. This happens to me all the time and my first try is to find another instance of person A saying "food" in the clear and dropping it in. This tool would help make the match easier and save a bit of time. This also allows for a simple audio record of replacement lines without having to go to an ADR studio. It's not a big deal, but I like it.
"


Now, I hadn't thought of that! I do that kind of cutting routinely, but I do wonder how effective it would be on single syllables, since it seems to work by reapportioning the gap space between hard attacks and decays. And, of course I wonder how effective it really is at all. With most tools like that, I end up back doing things by hand, but they are definitely fun to think about.


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 1:24:36 pm

[Michael Gissing] "I can't help wondering what use it is to have software to sync ADR in an audio system that is likely to be found in a video edit suite which lacks sound proofing, acoustic design and good microphones plus monitoring and experience to record ADR in the first place. "

I don't get your thinking. Why would this defacto be done in the same place, in the same rooms?


[Michael Gissing] "There has been ADR auto syncing software available for DAWs for over a decade so I see this as a curio and somewhat of a gimmick.
"


It is a little curio/gimick feature. But so what? If it actually works, it will make my life easier 5-15 times a year. And it comes free in a suite I will buy whether it is there or not. Its not like Audition--however cool its Cool Edit foundation--is going to become my main DAW. I mean, how about a little perspective here.


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Michael Gissing
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Apr 1, 2012 at 11:37:04 pm

[Chris Harlan] "It is a little curio/gimick feature. But so what? If it actually works, it will make my life easier 5-15 times a year. And it comes free in a suite I will buy whether it is there or not. Its not like Audition--however cool its Cool Edit foundation--is going to become my main DAW. I mean, how about a little perspective here."

I was hoping to provide a little perspective. This feature has been touted for the past six months. There was a sneak peek half a year ago then this second peek. Audio facilities that specialise in ADR have a whole heap of equipment including software to record and fit ADR. Editors should not be expecting to do this, so software to do this will have some but not a lot of usage.

Herb's example of replacing a word because of an overlap is something I do a lot but it is usually a problem of intonation and matching background ambience, not sync. I rarely do ADR, although I am setup for it and I don't have software to resync like this but even for me, I doubt this software will be used much at all, certainly not in 99% of cases of single word replacement.

So my perspective as an audio & online/grade post facility is that this software will have limited use for me and most editors, so rather than push this sort of feature or have lots of R&D devoted to it, Adobe might well concentrate on other areas of audio editing that are really common and could do with development like sound effect library management. I am swaying towards the CS6 suite so I am more interested in how well it does the basics.


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:07:21 am

[Michael Gissing] "This feature has been touted for the past six months. There was a sneak peek half a year ago then this second peek. Audio facilities that specialise in ADR have a whole heap of equipment including software to record and fit ADR."

Never heard of it, but I haven't been watching CS particularly. Historically, I upgrade every other iteration anyway.

[Michael Gissing] "Editors should not be expecting to do this, so software to do this will have some but not a lot of usage. "

Possibly. But we preditors tend to be jack-of-all-trades. I mean an editor shouldn't be producing, writing copy, mixing and occasionally scoring either, but I wouldn't be having half as much fun if I weren't.


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Apr 2, 2012 at 3:07:45 am

[Michael Gissing] "This feature has been touted for the past six months. There was a sneak peek half a year ago then this second peek. Audio facilities that specialise in ADR have a whole heap of equipment including software to record and fit ADR."

Sorry. Here's part two. I accidentally published when I meant to quote. Like I say, I haven't been following so it was new to me. And its not a big deal, but there are tim, when I'm building something in conjunction


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Apr 2, 2012 at 2:59:00 pm

More perpective-

We have talked about this before, but I know my clients have a lower and lower tolerance for seeing traditional "rough cuts". They want the first cut to be as tight as possible, almost to the point of looking and sounding relatively "Finished", for better or for worse, but it is a current reality. A tool like this will help us achieve that almost finished look before going in and doing the real finishing.

Like anything else, it's just a tool. You can use it, or not, especially if it works well for you and your particular needs. I can see this being great for VO work as well, not just ADR.

Jeremy


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 1:10:09 pm

[Lance Bachelder] "I'm far more impressed with the Logic 9 videos - never tried it but the editing features look fantastic. I agree the ADR thing could be cool - have to wait 'til NAB to see the full feature set etc.
"


Logic is great. It has been my active DAW for the last three years. As a suite, it came with an amazing group of plugins and loop material. There are some PC DAWs I preferred more, once upon a time, though I stopped using those after settling in to FCP. I'm also paying with ProTools 10 now, but I haven't had enough time to monkey with it to see how I like it compared to Logic. I don't think of Audition as a DAW, particularly, but as a adjunct like Soundtrack Pro. If I remember correctly, Audition is built on a very good Audio Editor from the '90's called Cool Edit.


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Shawn Miller
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 5:44:17 pm

[Chris Harlan] " If I remember correctly, Audition is built on a very good Audio Editor from the '90's called Cool Edit."

That's correct, Adobe aquired CEP in 2003 (I believe)... I've been using it since it was v1 of Cool Edit. Sonar X1 is my main DAW, but Audition integrates so well with Premiere, I find myself using Sonar almost exlusively for music now. The round tripping between PPro and Audition has gotten good, so now I just find it easier to build up mixes there. IMO, it's defintely worth a try.

Shawn



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Oliver Peters
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 30, 2012 at 10:23:08 pm

If you liked using STP with FCP 7, then you'll like using Audition with Premiere Pro. If you do a lot of audio-only work, like comping VO tracks, noise reduction, etc. it's a great editorial tool with any NLE.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 12:14:34 am

This reminds me the roto brush in AE. AE isn't the full roto tool, and an auto brush? Come on!!!!

It actually helped me in a huge way today as a spot failed the Harding test for the UK on a very unsuspecting shot. I used the rotobrush to isolate (and track) the problem area to reduce the change in luma. It worked really awesomely and got the spot delivered just in time.

Am I a rotoscope expert? No. Is the rotobrush going to replace Nuke or Fusion? No way. Did the rotobrush work really well for me? Yes. I was very pleased, and the spot passed.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 12:44:21 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "Did the rotobrush work really well for me? Yes. I was very pleased, and the spot passed"

Rotobrush rocks. I just did a series of VFX shots for a set of local TV station news promos. Hero shot of anchors in real-time against time lapse (high-speed) newsroom activity behind them. Two motion control passes (one at 24fps the other a 1fps) and no keying screen at all. Rotobrush and a few custom masks worked perfectly to isolate the real-time talent. Definitely rocket science and one of those things that Adobe simply excels at.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 1:54:48 am

It really impressed me today.

I've used it before on much simpler material, but today's gig was a bit more difficult, and it worked really really well.

Rocket science, indeed.


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 6:20:53 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "as a spot failed the Harding test "

Ah, the joys of the Harding test!


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 6:17:44 am

[Oliver Peters] "If you liked using STP with FCP 7, then you'll like using Audition with Premiere Pro. "

I do. Good to hear.


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 6:14:39 am

[Shawn Miller] "Sonar X1 is my main DAW,"

I was heavily in to Cakewalk and then Sonar a decade ago. Really great software. I only moved off of it because on my rather forced move to the Mac. I was also a big fan of all the Sonic Foundry (now Sony) stuff.


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Herb Sevush
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 1:02:03 pm

[Chris Harlan] " I was also a big fan of all the Sonic Foundry (now Sony) stuff."

I have a PC networked to my Mac mostly so I can still use Sound Forge, my swiss army knife of audio editing and processing. Great program.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin' attached to nothin'
"Deciding the spine is the process of editing" F. Bieberkopf


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Chris Harlan
Re: Sneak Peek at a few of Audition's new features
on Mar 31, 2012 at 4:26:42 pm

[Herb Sevush] "I have a PC networked to my Mac mostly so I can still use Sound Forge, my swiss army knife of audio editing and processing. Great program.
"


Indeed. I kept a PC going that way for a few years, but entropy finally broke the bridge. I also got quite a bit of use out of Acid.


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