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Greg Andonian
Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 7:00:55 am

Here's a post from the Premiere Pro forum that I found rather interesting...

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/3/922751

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Neil Patience
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 1:57:35 pm

It should be easy to spot if this is a growing trend or a flash in the pan.
I work through one of the oldest agencies in London that supply freelancers to the broadcast industry all over the UK and some work abroad. I asked them the other day if they had any requests for Adobe editors and the reply was "I think we were asked once"
They have been going for just over 25 years so any change is going to be easy to spot.
I have yet to be asked in just over 20 years of editing.

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Neil
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Dave LaRonde
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 3:31:33 pm

[Neil Patience] "I work through one of the oldest agencies in London that supply freelancers to the broadcast industry all over the UK and some work abroad. I asked them the other day if they had any requests for Adobe editors and the reply was "I think we were asked once""

I understand that the BBC has adopted Premiere Pro as an NLE, and is currently integrating it into day-to-day operations. Am I mistaken in this knowledge? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Steve Connor
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 3:33:08 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "I understand that the BBC has adopted Premiere Pro as an NLE, and is currently integrating it into day-to-day operations. Am I mistaken in this knowledge? Please correct me if I'm wrong."

Apparently so, but no-one I know who works at the BBC has used it yet?

Steve Connor
"FCPX Professional"
Adrenalin Television


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Neil Patience
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 5:41:28 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "
I understand that the BBC has adopted Premiere Pro as an NLE, and is currently integrating it into day-to-day operations. Am I mistaken in this knowledge? Please correct me if I'm wrong."


I too have heard this, however the BBC is a huge place with multiple centres across the UK. Equipment varies from place to place, indeed department to department.
In London alone they have several large facilities for both TV and radio. For instance, until this year BBC TV Centre in London certainly didnt have any Adobe at all that I ever saw. I have worked in many suites there for different departments.
Sports was all Avid, other programme suites in factual and entertainment etc had both Avid and FCP available. However for the last year they seemed to be switching more editing to Avid. Series that I had cut in previous years on FCP were being cut on Avid but the FCP's were still there.
BBC Wood Lane (close to TV centre) certainly had Avids when I was there about 18 months ago, but likely had FCP lurking too.

Now the main BBC London base is well in the process of moving to Manchester and I dont know what the editing facilities are based on there.

I have worked at BBC Glasgow in Scotland and that was on Avid however there are other centres like BBC Cardiff and BBC Bristol for instance that may be different.

Like Steve, I have yet to meet anyone who as actually cut on any of these fabled Adobe suites at the BBC but the scale of the place means that's not to say they dont have them hidden away somewhere.
Just as yet nowhere I have seen, operated by anyone I know.

Perhaps if any COW users have operated these suites or know where the BBC have them they could let us know.

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 7:47:54 pm

Here's what Adobe has to say about it:
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/201009/090910BBCAdo...

There were a few other results turned up in my searches, verifying that this was in the news in 2010.

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
http://www.bourkemedia.com


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Neil Patience
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 10:23:39 pm

Interesting press release - odd thing is with 2000 additional seats you would imagine that walking into any edit suite there would be evidence of it.

However I was working there in 2010/11 in various suites in London and and it was nowhere to be seen. Avid and some FCP only.

To be fair they were winding down TVC at that time and preparing to move to Manchester so perhaps its there.

I will email a few BBC contacts and see if I can find out whats really going on with this - if I can find out I will report back, it has me interested now.

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 10:26:51 pm

I mentioned that I had a mate working in BBC nature as a D.I.T type, he told me that the beeb were deploying it for non-avid (not the real stuff) purposes.
But like, they were deploying a lot of it.
I think they're thinking of it in terms of almost a general purpose newscutter type thing for self op carry on at below avid level. I could be completely wrong there though. But they have bought a lot of licenses.
That said - I presume hell will freeze before anything really serious at the beeb is cut on anything other than avid.

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http://www.ogallchoir.net
promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics


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Neil Patience
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 29, 2012 at 11:43:27 pm

Hi Aindreas

I think you could be right - It could well be just desktop editing for self-op but I wonder how they integrate that into the wider editing system which I too would be suprised was not Avid and where they are doing it. BBC Natural History is, I think, largely based in Bristol where I have never worked so no first hand experience there.
I have emailed a couple of people so should get an answer hopefully.

Also just wanted to say I have enjoyed reading your posts on FCPX, I pretty much agree with your sentiments. Are you Uk based ?

best wishes
Neil
http://www.patience.tv


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 30, 2012 at 12:31:46 am

[Neil Patience] "I wonder how they integrate that into the wider editing system"

I genuinely know little or nothing about BBC editing internally, bar the bit said to me -

and yep bristol is right, that's where my friend is based and living, when he's not being envy style far flung.

[Neil Patience] "Also just wanted to say I have enjoyed reading your posts on FCPX, I pretty much agree with your sentiments. Are you Uk based ?"

cheers, am indeed, me particulars are below there -
soon to include 'seeks avid brain transplant'.

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Jason Porthouse
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 30, 2012 at 9:34:06 am

[Aindreas Gallagher] "cheers, am indeed, me particulars are below there -
soon to include 'seeks avid brain transplant'."


I'm having one of those at the moment, along with a dose of 'X' for good measure. I'll be fine, so long as they keep the meds going.... *twitch*

I don't know of any serious stuff going on in Premiere at the Beeb, Bristol are still FCP (I've a friend who trains there), Norn Ireland are all Avid (though when I was there last one of their technical guys committed heresy by buying an iPad...) and I believe Cardiff are too.

Ahh well, they say variety is the spice of life...

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Dennis Radeke
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 30, 2012 at 10:17:46 am

The BBC does indeed use a lot of Premiere Pro though it's not an account I focus on being on the other side of the pond. ESPN is primarily Quantel with a little Avid. FCP and Premiere Pro have about equal status there (not much).


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Steve Connor
Re: Fluke or trend? You decide...
on Mar 30, 2012 at 12:01:40 pm

"a lot of Premiere Pro?" I know the BBC purchased lots of seats, but it doesn't appear to be in use "a lot" though.

Steve Connor
"FCPX Professional"
Adrenalin Television


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