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Chris Harlan
And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 8:23:45 pm

I'm suddenly seeing lots of speculation that the switchable GPUs in the Macbook Pros might be going away for most models to be replaced with the on-chip Intel. I'm also seeing speculation about a 15" Macbook Air replacing its Macbook Pro counterpart.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/03/14/rumor_apple_to_launch_15_inch...

Any clarification or added info that folks could bring would be most welcome.


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Steve Connor
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38:18 pm

I've been watching these rumours circulating, my MacBook Pro just suffered the Nvidia graphics chip breakdown just one week after the four year replacement warranty expired, so I've been looking to buy a new one.

Steve Connor
"FCPX Agitator"
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Chris Harlan
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 9:40:22 pm

[Steve Connor] "I've been watching these rumours circulating, my MacBook Pro just suffered the Nvidia graphics chip breakdown just one week after the four year replacement warranty expired, so I've been looking to buy a new one.
"


I'm thinking of going ahead and getting the current Macbook Pro now--I've got the pre-thunderbolt i7--and not worrying whether its my last Mac or not. Thunderbolt is finally looking like it might be worth it for me, though the glacial pace of product release is still a bit off-putting.


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Phil Hoppes
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 10:49:57 pm

I picked up this version of MBP back in October. This is, without a doubt, the best MBP I've ever owned (I've had 4 counting this one). You can upgrade to 16Gb of Memory over at MacSales (Down to $239 as I type now) and also get blazing fast SSD's from them. I got their conversion kit and pulled out the optical drive, which I never use, and installed a Seagate 750Gb Hybrid drive. I run bootcamp (do install this BEFORE you pull the optical if you plan on doing this) so on my data drive I partitioned it for 250Gb HFS and 500GB NTFS. Go to Paragon Software and you can get HFS drivers for Windows and NTFS drivers for OSX so you can read/write to either drive no matter which OS you are booted. Runs really sweet and 8 threads for rendering is very nice.


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Chris Harlan
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 11:38:20 pm

[Phil Hoppes] "I picked up this version of MBP back in October. This is, without a doubt, the best MBP I've ever owned (I've had 4 counting this one). You can upgrade to 16Gb of Memory over at MacSales (Down to $239 as I type now) and also get blazing fast SSD's from them. I got their conversion kit and pulled out the optical drive, which I never use, and installed a Seagate 750Gb Hybrid drive. I run bootcamp (do install this BEFORE you pull the optical if you plan on doing this) so on my data drive I partitioned it for 250Gb HFS and 500GB NTFS. Go to Paragon Software and you can get HFS drivers for Windows and NTFS drivers for OSX so you can read/write to either drive no matter which OS you are booted. Runs really sweet and 8 threads for rendering is very nice.

"


Yeah, this will be my fourth, if you include a 17" Powerbook. I'm hoping LaCie will soon release their eSata adaptor so that I can access the many TBs of portable RAID at more than Firewire speeds (without using the pc card adapter, which I find springs out way too easily and causes Kernel panics shortly after it does.) and so that I can have some bus-powered fast access like that new elgato drive. Since, on several speed tests, this MBpro challenges my 2008 8 Core, I might be willing to let this be my choice for now. I do look with envy, however, at some of the mobile Quadro entries from HP and Dell, and their USB3 and eSata ports, and wonder if I shouldn't be going there for just a little more. The magic word, though, seems to be ProRes which keeps me retreating back.


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Frank Gothmann
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:26:54 am

[Chris Harlan] "The magic word, though, seems to be ProRes which keeps me retreating back."

I think it's interesting how often Prores is mentioned as a reason to not consider alternatives. And I understand, there is a lot of Prores stuff out there and it is often requested for file based deliveries. Apple has done a fine job there keeping it decode-only on Win.
Depending on the adoption of X though, I wonder if and when that situation will change, with a shift towards codecs that are not Apple bound. DnxHD, Cineform and, soon, Canopus HQX are darn good alternatives.


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Chris Harlan
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:56:13 am

I've got some pretty major clients who have distribution chains and libraries based on ProRes. No one's quite ready to disrupt that yet, though conversations ARE occurring, and sister divisions of my clients are DNx/MXF, so its not unthinkable. But there is a lot of infrastructure that requires addressing, so no one really wants to jump until jumping is inevitable. Or provides tangible alternative value. So, my world makes my choices for me, and I try to be an informed part of my world so that I can influence it.


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Andrew Richards
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 8:55:38 pm

I saw the same rumors. Supposedly NVIDIA was on the hook for new MacBook GPUs but has failed to deliver with their new Kepler chips. Ivy Bridge's built-in GPU is supposed to be much improved, but better than a discrete GPU? Hard to believe. NVIDIA is struggling to get its Kepler line to market (it was due this quarter) and the reports I've read point to poor manufacturing yields. AMD has been shipping their Southern Islands GPUs for weeks now.

Best,
Andy


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Greg Andonian
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 9:02:36 pm

The idea of Apple changing a pro oriented product to target more mainstream users sounds crazy- but then, Appleinsider has been right about this sort of thing before...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/05/18/apple_scaling_final_cut_studi...

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Greg Burke
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 14, 2012 at 11:14:24 pm

its apple you never know what they're going to do. until they do it.

My speculation

EOL - Macbook Pro

EOL- MacPro Towers

EOL- iMac

I think there going to focus on iDevices and merge Macbook Pro with the Mac Book Air Line

Of course this is all speculation, you never know with apple. Just my 2 cents. :)

I wear many hats.
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Phil Hoppes
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:05:47 am

I would agree actually but not all this year and not in the order you listed.

This year MacPro's - Toast.
1-3 years - MBP's - Toast.

iMac's...... That's a tough one but I think the traditional desktop probably has another 5 years left in it. I think that iOS is going to take over everything but, that being said, multi core ARM chips are still a long ways away performance wise from a multi core iX CPU and that's going to take a bit longer to supplement. It is just a matter of time however when a mulit core AXX chip can essentially perform the tasks required to make the user experience the same as a iX CPU one has to wonder how long Apple will stay with Intel and then with desktops. Desktops themselves may actually die as you speculate with the large screen diehards relegated to getting a second monitor. You may just have them all nailed but just a matter of time.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 15, 2012 at 4:00:18 am

[Phil Hoppes] "I think that iOS is going to take over everything but"

Why and how?


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Phil Hoppes
Re: And--wait for it--what if there's no new Macbook Pro?
on Mar 15, 2012 at 12:24:14 pm

iOS 's largest difference from OSX is that it does not have a real file system, at least not visible to the user. I made the case that it will be some time before any AXX core cpu can give the same user experience as a iX Intel CPU. I believe that will hold true for some time until there is a 64bit multi-core AXX. But as technology marches on and Apple's foundries press towards smaller lithography the performance curves of the two CPU's could get pretty close together, at least at the point were iMac's and MBA's are concerned. At that point, if it made business sense (and there are plenty of arguments both ways on something like this) Apple could drop Intel completely and have all of their products run their CPU. Once they are on their CPU it does not make a whole lot of sense to keep development of 2 OS"s. Apple has done both of these things in the past. The CPU's they have changed twice. Motorola 68XXX -> Power PC -> Intel. They know how to do it and were the pitfalls are. They changed OS's in a big way when they bought NeXT and created OSX from Nextstep. Changing OSX to iOS would probably more like merging the two OS's together. OSX is still a unix kernel. I can't say that I know what the kernel for iOS is based upon but either way merging the two into one unified OS is a hard problem but certainly not impossible. Again, it would have to make sense from a business perspective but merging two mammoth software developments two one has it's cost advantages.


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