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Greg Jones
Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:15:44 pm

So I installed Final Cut Pro X 10.0.3 and the Kona Drivers. I am getting video out, however it's not very responsive to editing. I'm sure this is why Apple is calling it a beta. Look forward to seeing what happens.

Greg Jones
D7,Inc.
Orlando,FL.
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Mitch Ives
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:18:52 pm

Is it useful enough to judge color, etc.?

Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.

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Greg Jones
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:21:47 pm

Yeah. It looks like broadcast qaulity. It's a little jumpy once and a whole and it lags behind the timeline, but it's a step in the right direction

Greg


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moody glasgow
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:21:08 pm

What do you mean when you say its not very responsive to editing? Does it drop frames? Are you getting artifacts?


thanks

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Greg Jones
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:28:55 pm

There is a lag. So I'll press play and it takes a moment for it to start playing with AV turned on. It also seems to hang up once in a while, however that could be because I have some unrendered effects. I've been using Avid MC6 lately and my Kona 3 is very responsive using Avid, even more that Final Cut Pro 7, so I've been getting used to it I guess.

Greg Jones
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moody glasgow
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:39:04 pm

So would you say it is ready for a room full of clients? It doesn't sound like it is quite there yet... I guess thats why its called beta.

moody glasgow
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Andy Neil
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:32:13 pm

Can you explain your setup? I have a Kona lhi, but it's in a mac tower which means it's not a thunderbolt mac since there aren't any thunderbolt towers. According to what I've read on the Apple and AJA websites, I need a thunderbolt mac AND a Kona XT to get video out.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Andrew Richards
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:40:39 pm

You just need the new drivers for your LHi. Thunderbolt is not required, but Lion 10.7.2 is.

Best,
Andy


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Andy Neil
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 6:09:09 pm

[Andrew Richards] "You just need the new drivers for your LHi. Thunderbolt is not required, but Lion 10.7.2 is."

Thanks. The marketing documentation is more than a little confusing. But once I got to the drivers page of my card on AJAs website, it made more sense.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Justin Schultz
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 7:59:34 pm

Will this driver support both FCP7 and FCPX? Or will it totally mess up my FCP7 system on the same machine?


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Greg Jones
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 8:07:39 pm

So far I've been able to work in Media Composer 6, FCPX, and FCP 7 without issue. Haven't tried Premiere Pro yet.


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Andrew Richards
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 8:07:27 pm

AJA recommends separate boot drives or partitions for FCPX and legacy FCP. The drivers do not appear to be a universal release.

Best,
Andy


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AJA Sales Department
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:52:28 pm

While the broadcast monitoring output - and the AJA driver to support it - are both considered beta versions, please be sure to refer to the documentation that AJA has provided with this beta driver release.

If the AJA Control Panel format and frame rate was not set up prior to launching Final Cut Pro X to match the material being edited in Final Cut Pro X, then the performance of playback might not be as you would expect.

For details on interactions between Final Cut Pro X 10.0.3 and AJA's beta driver version 10.2 X Beta, please review this documentation available from our website and also available with the driver installation:
http://www.aja.com/pdf/FCP_X_and_AJA.pdf

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Greg Jones
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:57:56 pm

Thanks for the tips. I think it's awesome that AJA is looking at these forums.

Greg Jones
D7,Inc.
Orlando,Fl.
http://www.d7-inc.com

Greg Jones
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Steve Connor
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 5:59:48 pm

[Greg Jones] "Thanks for the tips. I think it's awesome that AJA is looking at these forums"

Did you have it set correctly and if not does the playback improve when you do?

Steve Connor
"FCPX Agitator"
Adrenalin Television


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Greg Jones
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 6:10:53 pm

I double checked all my settings. The image is beautiful. There is just a small delay when hitting play. I'm sure they'll work it out.

Greg Jones
D7,Inc.
Orlando,FL.
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Greg Jones
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Andy Neil
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Feb 1, 2012 at 2:29:17 am

Hey Greg. Just wanted to add my experience to this thread. I read the AJA documentation and installed Lion and the drivers (I have a Kona LHi). However, my picture is completely jumpy and audio is not being sent.

I double checked that the Kona was set to 1080i and that I was viewing a 1080i project. Picture is there, but jumps and lags similar I guess to your experience.

Sent an email to AJA support to see if they have any thoughts. Will post back if I hear from them.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Don Walker
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 6:12:30 pm

VERY Disappointed that AJA will not support LHe with this upgrade
WHY?


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 7:00:46 pm

Today is the day I finally dive in to a Lion beta test.


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Richard Herd
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 7:06:59 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "Today is the day I finally dive in to a Lion beta test."

I hear an angelic choir, clouds parting, crepuscular highlights.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 7:23:02 pm

[Don Walker] "VERY Disappointed that AJA will not support LHe with this upgrade
WHY?"


Can you please divulge where you got this info Don?

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Don Walker
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 8:19:50 pm

Went to the AJA website to download the drivers, saw that the latest driver for LHe was 2 months old, and the latest for LHi was today. Called AJA support and at first they did not realize this was the case, but then confirmed that only Kona 3, Lhi and Lhe plus were supported. I then called AJA sales, and was told it was due to technical limitation of the Lhe card. This was all done after I posted on the Cow.
I am very disappointed, and if there is a workaround I sure would like to know.

don walker
texarkana, texas

John 3:16


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 8:25:40 pm

[Don Walker] "I am very disappointed, and if there is a workaround I sure would like to know.
"


Ouch! The news is not encouraging for many Don. But, what's another grand or two down the drain for another new I/O device? Right?

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Don Walker
Re: Final Cut Pro X and Kona
on Jan 31, 2012 at 8:33:03 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "Ouch! The news is not encouraging for many Don. But, what's another grand or two down the drain for another new I/O device? Right?"

Or $695 from BMD....... I sure would rather not go there. I love AJA. Great products, and stellar tech support. I have to believe they would not do this just to sell more cards. That would be a huge black mark against one of my favorite companies on the planet.

don walker
texarkana, texas

John 3:16


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