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Chris Harlan
Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 18, 2012 at 7:30:36 pm

By accident, I came across this charming video the other day:

http://rickandrandy.com/travel/2011-12-26-Antarctica/ToAntarctica.html

It is a short compilation of footage that Randy Ubillos and his partner Rick assembled on a December trip to Antarctica. You can see FCP X's--I'm guessing it is X and not iMovie, though I can't be sure--metadata organization principals at work, and get some sort of a notion of what the designer of X uses an NLE for. NOTE: It is a polished home movie, not a professional one, and my linking to it is not to suggest that X can't be used for professional fare. I just think it is interesting to see what Randy U. does with video.

I've also noticed that many of X's supporters are also ardent photographers, as are Rick and Randy, and I wonder if there is something about the approach of X that is particularly appealing to photographers.


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Andy Field
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 18, 2012 at 8:31:50 pm

Odd that the FCP Designer would post a "streaming" video that doesn't stream (it appears to be a progressive download) I'm downloading to my desktop to review as the streaming doesn't work well -kind of like FCP X

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Adam White
Re: andy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 18, 2012 at 8:48:13 pm

I noticed that, too. Couldn't stream. Doesn't fill you with confidence does it?

But seriously, good point about photographers diggin' the design of X. I've observed the same thing. They were far more at home with iMovie than FCP anyway, so there is nothing for them to dislike in X. Good luck to them - Im pretty sure it WILL be the tool of choice for photographers dabbling in video.

For the rest of us terribly unfashionable old skool FCPers - probably not so much.


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walter biscardi
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 18, 2012 at 10:53:08 pm

[Chris Harlan] "I've also noticed that many of X's supporters are also ardent photographers, as are Rick and Randy, and I wonder if there is something about the approach of X that is particularly appealing to photographers."

The design of iMovie mirrors that of iPhoto which of course mirrors the design of FCP X. All of that on purpose so the end user can easily transition between the apps. Whether the app is "pro" or not all depends on the end user, not necessarily the app itself. I think Mark Raudonis says it best in his recent article, Apple is pursuing its path, it's just not necessarily the path that his company or many others want to take as well.

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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 1:51:14 am

the essential apple statement is taste: that they are their own weather vane?
Jobs said it for years - we make the stuff we would want to use.
ipod, iphone, ipad - god knows that was thunder and lightning.

but as an insular credo applied to the complexities of professional craft? it is a mess.

Colour coded Roles? Really? What?

Why stop there? Ye have only begun to remake editing in your own vision.
what's next? Spines? Red light GUI T-junctions for non-intersecting vertically connected edits?

Apple have only begun to re-make editing in their image.

FCPX is not a professional application, simply because it came out of a very weird room with five guys in it who never edited - and it is loaded with ridiculous metaphors that have no broader context or meaning.

And its colour corrector is square.

FCPX is a dead, internal, Apple vanity project.


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 20, 2012 at 12:56:13 am

I should add, bar the ludicrous ranting -

I am not in any sense referring to Randy Ubillos the individual, I am only referring to Randy Ubillos the Hal9000 progenitor of FCPX, and in that fashion alone.

The man himself is palpably a dude who bashes out to antarctica and merrily throws himself into water penguins might well be scared of.


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Gerry Fraiberg
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 2:43:34 am

It would appear that this Antarctica Video was edited in iMovie, based on the opening graphics which are part of the iMovie package - not FCP X.



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Chris Harlan
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33:45 am

[Gerry Fraiberg] "It would appear that this Antarctica Video was edited in iMovie, based on the opening graphics which are part of the iMovie package - not FCP X."

Well, isn't that interesting. I'd a thunk he'd a wanted to play with FCP X.


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Andy Neil
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 20, 2012 at 6:16:10 am

[Gerry Fraiberg] "It would appear that this Antarctica Video was edited in iMovie, based on the opening graphics which are part of the iMovie package - not FCP X."

Actually, those graphics are from the Photo Album theme. A theme that was ported over to FCPX from iMovie. This could very well have been cut in FCP X.

Andy

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John-Michael Seng-Wheeler
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 3:22:05 am

Can someone who's used the stabilizer feature in FCPX/ iMovie, (which ever this was edited in) tell me if that is what's causing the rippling in some of the shots?

It seems like what I see in this video was exactly what I would expect a tool called "Warp stabilizer" to do: Move the center of the image with respect to the edges, squishing and expanding the outer edges of the image to couter camera shake.

Anyway, if that's what it is, it made the video almost unwatchable for me, seeing the edges of the image gyrate like that. I had to rest my eyes after watching the video it messed with them so bad.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 4:03:00 am

[John-Michael Seng-Wheeler] "Anyway, if that's what it is, it made the video almost unwatchable for me, seeing the edges of the image gyrate like that. I had to rest my eyes after watching the video it messed with them so bad."

I, too, don't think this was fcpx. Of course, I could be wrong. I have seen that opening template before (I wish I could remember where), and they were iMovie edits.

That gyration looks like a camera with rolling shutter/jello cam.

I have no idea if iMovie has any fixes for it, but it doesn't look like it does a good job.

I haven't tried rolling shutter repair in fcpx, but the optical flow has produced some pretty incredible results (http://vimeo.com/25894146)


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John-Michael Seng-Wheeler
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 4:10:01 am

What ever it is, I've never seen it before. I started working with pro ENG cameras before CMOS sensors became common, so my experience with rolling shutter is non existent.
Until about a month ago when I picked out a Canon Vixia for my father, who borrowed one from a friend to film a class, and loved it so much he wanted his own, I'd only ever used CCD cameras.


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Stephan Walfridsson
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 9:03:35 am

It seems to me that it is handheld shots that have been stabilized. The wobbling is the shifting of perspective which is still present in the image while the handheld motion has been reduced/smoothed.

Stephan


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Alan Lacey
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 12:02:09 pm

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Christian Schumacher
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 12:49:50 pm







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Rafael Amador
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 1:45:28 pm

Clearly the Adobe stabilize much better the picture but makes to loose much more picture definition.
rafael

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 3:33:44 pm

There's no question that warp stabilizer in the Adobe package is a far superior product.

Even SmoothCam in FCP Legacy is just OK. It's awesome when it works, but if fails spectacularly when it doesn't.

Also, that is some truly challenging footage. Adobe did a great job there.


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John-Michael Seng-Wheeler
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 5:43:27 pm

Yeah, ok... That was pretty clear. I couldn't stand to watch the FCPX stabilized stuff... made my eyes water.


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 7:23:15 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "
Even SmoothCam in FCP Legacy is just OK. It's awesome when it works, but if fails spectacularly when it doesn't."


I think what's disappointing for me is not so much the stabilization aspect as how ineffective FCPX is in handling rolling shutter, which was supposed to be one of the selling points.

My experience has been that it's mostly completely useless for rolling shutter (or rather every time I've tried it the results were such that it was better not to use it at all) but the stabilization is handy though not markedly better or worse than Smoothcam.

The warp stabilizer is an astonishing thing however - another bit of genuine class from Adobe.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 7:28:45 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "I think what's disappointing for me is not so much the stabilization aspect as how ineffective FCPX is in handling rolling shutter, which was supposed to be one of the selling points. "

I guess. I think camera manufacturers need to step up and prevent rolling shutter altogether. :)

[Simon Ubsdell] "The warp stabilizer is an astonishing thing however - another bit of genuine class from Adobe."

Yep. S'nice.


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 8:21:59 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] " I think camera manufacturers need to step up and prevent rolling shutter altogether. :)"

Agreed!!!!! It's a shocker, really. And just try doing any visual effects when you have to cope with rolling shutter - not a pretty picture! And as for 3D motion tracking - forget it. And let's not forget that the RED uses CMOS as well ...

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 9:46:09 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "And let's not forget that the RED uses CMOS as well "

Oh yeah.

And Alexa, and Phantom, and Sony....and the equivalent large sensor DSLRs

They are all CMOS.


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 19, 2012 at 10:43:14 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "And Alexa, and Phantom, and Sony....and the equivalent large sensor DSLRs"

For anybody interested in comparing rolling shutter artefacts among the various cameras out there, it's well worth checking out Zacuto's Great Camera Shoutout 2011:

http://www.zacuto.com/the-great-camera-shootout-2011/episode-three

Some pretty startling results (as in startlingly not good), even from some of the more expensive cameras.

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Rafael Amador
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 20, 2012 at 2:58:03 am

[Jeremy Garchow] "I guess. I think camera manufacturers need to step up and prevent rolling shutter altogether. :)"
You are right Jeremy.
The way the CMOS works makes rolling shutter unavoidable.
A new generation of sensors is needed and I think Canon is on he right direction.
Look at this. I think is amazing.


rafael

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Randy Ubillos' Antartica Video
on Jan 20, 2012 at 3:22:25 am

[Rafael Amador] "The way the CMOS works makes rolling shutter unavoidable."

They just need global shutters, but they also present limitations and are probably more expensive.

Then theres no more rolling shutter. CMOS or not.

I'm pretty sure phantoms have global shutter.


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