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David Roth Weiss
For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 2:42:06 am

There is something I learned the other night at the LAFCPUG meeting that might be just a bit upsetting to those of you who live and die by the massive "oodle" of plugins you've acquired over the years. Sorry, but THEY WON'T WORK WITH FCP X.

You see, all those very cool plugins you've slaved to buy are designed as 32-bit plugs, and according to Phil Hodgetts, who knows about such things, they're kaput in the 64-bit world. He says you can take that to the bank.

I'm not telling ya'll this to start a riot, I'm mentioning this because everyone does need to plan for at least those things you can plan for, and this is one of those things.

Okay now, no rioting... If you must evacuate the building, remain calm and exit slowly without running.

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Tom Daigon
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 4:29:50 am

No surprise to me...went thru the same thing when After Effects went from CS4 32 bit to CS5 64 bit. Thank god I dont have many plugins for FCP ;-)

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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 5:30:27 am

[Tom Daigon] "No surprise to me..."

Well, you were not exactly my intended audience Tom. I think there are many who might be surprised their plugins will be toast.

I can assure you, even with an advanced warning, there's bound to a plethora of problems from people who come here wondering why their $1800 copy of Gennarts Sapphire won't install or as brought their rig to its knees.

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Jay Soriano
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 6:34:30 am

I spoke to a company since I was interested in a few of their filters. My concern was if I purchase today, would i be charged for a FCPX version? He said no, it would be a free update to FCPX.


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Ben Holmes
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 9:23:27 am

I expected plug-ins to be the last thing to be compatible. Maybe some smaller ones never will. I also expect that the big names (maybe Genarts and Red Giant etc) will already be working with X on new versions.

Apart from stemming an NAB-without-new-FCP panic, Apple's announcement almost certainly allowed them to seed code to big names in software and hardware, in exactly the same way as announcing iOS 5 does.

Not saying they'll be there at launch (hey, Apple will need a couple of .0.1 releases themselves probably) but I don't expect to wait a year for them either.

Deep breaths.

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Joe Murray
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 11:40:13 am

The need for plug-in updates should not surprise many people, maybe only those who have not been in the game for long enough to transition from one software release to the next. I'm sure Genarts will have a reasonable upgrade path as will other plug-in makers.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 3:26:22 pm

[Joe Murray] "The need for plug-in updates should not surprise many people, maybe only those who have not been in the game for long enough to transition from one software release to the next."

Joe, every time we do one of these exercises, even the most simple updates, we who answer questions are bombarded by surprised people, and they keep coming out of the proverbial woodwork for years after the rest of us know these things. I'm just trying to know off a few of them early, even though it may be fruitless in the long run..

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walter biscardi
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02:56 pm

Same thing happened with the CS5 version of After Effects and I'm assuming the rest of the CS5 suite. All plug-ins ceased working and I had to buy all new ones.

That's one reason I've avoided purchasing any new plug-ins over the last year because I was figuring FCP would go 64bit and cause an issue with the plugs.

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Oliver Peters
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 1:50:27 pm

It's actually a bit more complicated than just 64-bit. FCP7 currently supports 3 types of video effects plug-ins: FxScript, FxPlug and Quartz Composer filters ported over via FxFactory and others. If FxPlug is still supported, it will be an easier port for vendors to make FCP X - compatible plug-ins, since many have already complied for 64-bit in their AE versions. If there is no architecture or a completely new architecture, then they start from scratch.

The screen grabs of Motion don't seem to be that radically different from before. More reorganization of the UI. One scenario could be that FxPlug filters may work in Motion, but not FCP X. Other plug-ins that FCP7 uses include Log & Transfer and various import/export modules, like Boris AAF and XML Transfer and Automatic Duck.

Another unknown is audio. There have been no leaks about STP. One of the big advantages of STP is the wealth of filters included. I suspect it's gone, which hopefully means those filters end up in FCP X. But, we haven't seen any screen grabs showing anything about audio mixing and filtering, other than the timeline shots. That's a bit of a concern to me.

The lack of plug-ins was one of the big issues when iMovie was "re-invented".

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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 3:47:45 pm

[Oliver Peters] "One scenario could be that FxPlug filters may work in Motion, but not FCP X."

Phil Hodgetts seemed convinced from what he knows of AV Frameworks that FxPlug would be toast.

[Oliver Peters] "The lack of plug-ins was one of the big issues when iMovie was "re-invented"."

Well that clinches it, iMovie Pro can't possibly be more advanced. :)

[Oliver Peters] "Another unknown is audio. There have been no leaks about STP."

That's entirely true, and speaks volumes about the fact that without leaks we'd all be just as crazed and fearful as we were when our heads hit the pillow after the sneak in early April.

On the other hand, since only about ten people worldwide actually use STP (yes, I know that's a gross exaggeration that's off by at least 20%), even the leakers knew that divulging info on the STP replacement was no guaranty they'd get the audience they hoped to garner.

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Oliver Peters
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 4:01:30 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "[Oliver Peters] "The lack of plug-ins was one of the big issues when iMovie was "re-invented"."

Well that clinches it, iMovie Pro can't possibly be more advanced. :)"


LOL. I'm not trying to draw an iMovie-FCP X comparison, but rather a comparison of the two rewrite efforts. In that rewrite - headed by the same chief software architect (Randy) - the plug-in architecture was something that didn't make it in the initial transition. That may happen again and could be due to the nature of the rewrite involved.

- Oliver

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Bret Williams
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 8:30:21 pm

The audio architecture seems to be exactly the same as well as the audio fx that were heralded in the peek, already exist in FCP 9, er, iMovie 11. And since it appears you can open an iMovie project in FCP X, I'd have to guess it basically the same architecture, but different feature sets.


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Geoff Dills
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 4:23:34 pm

Has Phillip changed his mind? Back in April he wrote, "We didn’t see any title generation or filters used. Boris announced today that they planned to support Final Cut Pro X, so hopefully that means that FXplug still exists in the app. Alternatively they could have opted to support Quartz Composer for effects without an FXplug wrapper, as they’re quite similar in some ways. Even if FXplug support continues, plug-ins will need to be compiled to 64 bit before they can run in Final Cut Pro X. Filmlight have also clarified that their NAB-announced Baselight plug-in for Final Cut Pro will work with Final Cut Pro 7 and X. Good hints that FXplug survives."

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Oliver Peters
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 5:19:18 pm

[Geoff Dills] "Back in April he wrote, "We didn’t see any title generation or filters used."

If you go through his recent FCP X webinar, the comments are different. He does indicate titling tools, but they aren't Boris.

[Geoff Dills] "Boris announced today that they planned to support Final Cut Pro X, so hopefully that means that FXplug still exists in the app. Alternatively they could have opted to support Quartz Composer for effects without an FXplug wrapper, as they’re quite similar in some ways."

At NAB, Boris had not spoken with Apple about such specifics but the Boris engineers and Apple engineers have a good relationship. By this week, I presume a number of the 3rd party developers have had some meetings with Apple. I don't know whether his press announcements to support FCP X are based on any actual data or rather a way of simply making a position statement. As in "Yes, of course we will support FCP X."

If there is a plug-in architecture - and I can't imagine there wouldn't be - then the usual developers will get involved. After all, a company like Boris FX supports more NLE hosts than any other, so they definitely know how to port to various architectures. It's really just a matter of how soon. For instance, is there an SDK yet with v1.0, or will that come with some patch released between 1.0 and 2.0?

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Philip Hodgetts
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 5:52:22 pm

To Clarify David, I said FXscript - the original format - will be toast (ie gone). I expect FXplug (and Quartz compositions wrapped as FXplug) to work, but with modifications.

I also don't think most plug-in developers have been seeded yet. So it will take some time for most, but I also expect a great new plug-in set to be launched around the time of FCP X for FCP X and FCP 7.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 11:14:23 pm

Thanks for clarifying Phil. I try to quote correctly, but I'm far from perfect.

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walter biscardi
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 4:19:32 pm

[Oliver Peters] "Another unknown is audio. There have been no leaks about STP. One of the big advantages of STP is the wealth of filters included."

We dip into STP when we run into audio issues that FCP just can't seem to address. In fact we needed it this past week to address an audio phase issue.

Of course we now have ProTools 9 in our shop so I guess it's time for one of us to learn the basics of it so we can address basic issues when we don't have an engineer in the house.

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Oliver Peters
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 5:10:33 pm

[walter biscardi] "
We dip into STP when we run into audio issues that FCP just can't seem to address. In fact we needed it this past week to address an audio phase issue."


I think those specific issues will be handled by FCP X's "automatic corrections". I actually use STP a lot as a post production DAW on short-form projects. It's worked well. I presume I'll shift to Audition, now. I have PT9 as well, but there's a lot in there I don't need, so Audition seems about right.

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Warren Eig
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 5:41:27 pm

[walter biscardi] "Of course we now have ProTools 9 "

Walter,

One can only hope FCPX has OMF export or we are all in trouble. Cutting narrative here in Los Angeles, no OMF means no FCP X. I have to stick with FCP 7, which is fine because it is rock solid here.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 3:20:10 pm

But, it won't we any skin off your back Walter, cuz we know you're gonna be th efirst to jump ship, cuz Avid bought you breakfast. :)

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Hector berrebi
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 6:20:32 pm

it would make much "apple" sense to have some sort of new in-app plugins store

if done right, it could be a very cool and useful addition to FCPX.

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Walter Soyka
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 18, 2011 at 7:33:21 pm

What a wonderful world it would be if Apple (and Adobe) started supporting OpenFX.

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Mark Suszko
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 21, 2011 at 1:45:01 pm

Well darn, I'll just have to build a new collection of plug-ins from scratch. I kinda expected that as well.


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David Hunter
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 22, 2011 at 11:24:21 am

David,

You were absolutely correct to surmise that tons of users will be stunned on upgrading to FCP X and discovering that all of their expensive plugin goodies are left out of Effects.

And, I don't see Apple taking any additional steps to warn FCP 7 "upgraders" that this is NOT an UPGRADE. It is a wholesale replacement program that does not recognize FCP 7 projects!

And no way via Apple to IMPORT .FCP files.

This is huge, huge.

And you can be sure that thousands of users are going to be stunned to make these discoveries after the fact. I also see that Apple is HIGHLY recommending installing its latest OS X if you are going to run FCP X without significant "issues".

So, $299 for FCP X, (higher in other parts of the world), and Pro Export FCP for $495 (upgrade $195 for Pro Export FCP) so that you can export the standard AAF/OMF audio file formats.

Then edit without all your plugin goodies for the next how many months. I assume some companies will offer upgrade pre-existing client discounts, but....

it is STUNNING that this is sort of a "stealth" rollout considering how many bad reviews will scorch Apple for a few months.

Bad, stupidly and unnecessarily bad PR.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: For those of you with plugin addictions
on Jun 22, 2011 at 5:17:07 pm

[David Hunter] "You were absolutely correct to surmise that tons of users will be stunned on upgrading to FCP X and discovering that all of their expensive plugin goodies are left out of Effects.
"


Thanks for the acknowledgment David. I've always tried my best to warn people in advance whenever possible in order to help them avoid pain. It seems that this new version is perfect for the kind of person who really has no idea what they're doing, and those are the very ones who never heed my warnings anyway.


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