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Sohrab Sandhu
What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:06:44 pm

What are the chances that third party developers like Boris, Fxfactory, AJA etc. got on board after the 'sneak peek'. After all they would have approached apple after it became clear that new FCP was coming.

Maybe these guys have been working with Apple secretly eversince.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:29:22 pm

In the past, manufacturers such as AJA, Matrox, and Blackmagic have most often, but not always, waited for the "release versions" of the new software before writing and releasing their own new drivers.

This is most likely because they don't want to do the job more than once. If they wait for a release version, they know they'll have to update their drivers many times as bugs get ironed out, but at least they'll be starting with the real software, and they know their version-1 drivers will be starting with something close. Often, when they jump the gun and create drivers based on beta software they are working with software that actually bears little resemblance to the finished product, so they are forced to rewrite from scratch.

It's possible that this time things are different, but most likely you'll be encountering a delay of days or weeks before working drivers will be released. Keep in mind, with both OS X Lion and FCP X coming out about the same time, this may serve to complicate the matter. On the other hand, if the new code for both pieces of software is radically modern and clean, it might make the job for developers easier. In fact, this has been rumored. So, it's another wait and see...

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Ben Holmes
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:39:28 pm

Manufacturers of cards have had the software for some time - don't forget there have been post-houses testing FCP X for months, it was mentioned in the sneak peek as far as I remember, and talked about by other industry bods as well.

I'd be very surprised if there aren't drivers at launch for X. Seriously.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:47:53 pm

[Ben Holmes] "I'd be very surprised if there aren't drivers at launch for X."

Don't be surprised if you're wrong, because as I stated above, it hasn't worked that way in the past.

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Ben Holmes
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:50:13 pm

I'll have an imaginary $10 on that...

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David Roth Weiss
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 6:53:24 pm

You probably have some inside info someone leaked to you, so I'll save my imaginary $$$.

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Craig Seeman
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 7:48:10 pm

I think Ben is correct as well this time. I'm very good at reading body language when I talk to certain device makers.

If a developer doesn't have a poker face, does that violate the NDA? ;-)



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David Roth Weiss
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 8:15:28 pm

[Craig Seeman] "I think Ben is correct as well this time. I'm very good at reading body language when I talk to certain device makers. "

Just one more of those many times when I hope I'm wrong...

I was wrong once. I remember it well. It was back in the 80's as I recall.

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Oliver Peters
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 10, 2011 at 11:16:41 pm

At least at NAB time, Noise Industries (FxFactory) and Boris FX had no advanced info or copies of FCP X to test.

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Dennis Radeke
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 11, 2011 at 12:11:23 pm

[Sohrab Sandhu] "Maybe these guys have been working with Apple secretly eversince."

I can't speak for Apple, but we (Adobe) work hand in hand with our hardware i/o partners and provide as much information as we possibly can as early as we can. If you take Apple's penchant for secrecy out of the equation, I'm sure they're working with their partners.


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walter biscardi
Re: What are the chances?
on Jun 11, 2011 at 4:22:43 pm

Historically AJA and Apple have worked very very closely together on any advance of Final Cut Pro and the Mac OS. There's been speculation in the past that the AJA Io HD was actually an Apple idea but they didn't want to build the hardware so they brought the idea to AJA to execute. The fact that AJA introduced it at an Apple FCP launch a few NABs ago lends credibility to that idea.

AJA always have their drivers ready to go the day the new FCP is launched, but they usually hold them for a day to a week just to ensure that the final release is the same as the last build they tested.

Plug-in developers from what I'm told rarely see the software until it's released, particularly when it's a brand new version like what's happening now. Maybe a few of the bigger ones like Boris and Red Giant might get an advance copy, but for the most part, they don't see the working software until you and I do.

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