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Steve Connor
Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 6:29:16 pm

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/avid-unveils-media-composer-6

Interesting, I like the new interface and the fact that on a Mac you can use ProRes. Also the crossgrade offer is continuing.

"My Name is Steve and I'm an FCPX user"


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Neil Goodman
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 6:31:32 pm

looks great, lets hope its not ridden with bugs, etc. My only gripe is it needs Lion. Not really feeling that as of right now.

Also i wish you could still use 32bit plugins within it. I dont want to upgade Magic Bullit just cause i like the flicker plugin and i still use version 1.2. wich works great with MC 5.5.

Logic 9 lets you use 64 and 32 bit plug ins so i know its possible.

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production - NBC/Universal


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Oliver Peters
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:06:21 pm

[Neil Goodman] "My only gripe is it needs Lion."

It will run on Snow Leopard. Their main testing was with Lion, so that's the "certified" Mac OS version.

- Oliver

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Eduardo Serrano
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:10:38 pm

Not everything was converted to 64-bit so I guess you can still use them. They made a base layer they can build on.


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Neil Goodman
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:30:31 pm

ok. that is awesome news.

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production - NBC/Universal


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Chris Harlan
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:08:18 pm

I'm looking forward to the 3D stuff. I just turned down a gig because I don't feel comfortable in that space. Now, I can play.


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Steve Connor
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 9:13:51 pm

[Chris Harlan] "I'm looking forward to the 3D stuff. I just turned down a gig because I don't feel comfortable in that space. Now, I can play."

I've edited a few 3D shows in FCP7 with the Dashwood plugin, which is also available for FCPX now. If the footage is well shot and the stereographer has done his job, then post in 3D is not particularly difficult.

It's when it's badly shot that the fun begins.

"My Name is Steve and I'm an FCPX user"


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Chris Harlan
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:19:35 am

[Steve Connor] "[Chris Harlan] "I'm looking forward to the 3D stuff. I just turned down a gig because I don't feel comfortable in that space. Now, I can play."

I've edited a few 3D shows in FCP7 with the Dashwood plugin, which is also available for FCPX now. If the footage is well shot and the stereographer has done his job, then post in 3D is not particularly difficult.

It's when it's badly shot that the fun begins.
"


Ironically, I was hoping FCS4 was going to bring 3D. I've looked at the Dashwood plugin in depth and it seemed cool. I could just never really justify it because 99% of my work is TV, and we just ain't there yet (and, I have my doubts we will ever be.) But now, I'll be able to play, which sounds great.


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Hector berrebi
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:42:29 pm

[Steve Connor] "
I've edited a few 3D shows in FCP7 with the Dashwood plugin, which is also available for FCPX now. If the footage is well shot and the stereographer has done his job, then post in 3D is not particularly difficult.
"


i second that... Dashwood tools make post in 3D exceptionally smooth if footage was properly shot.

i hope MC6 tools will be as cool and fun to work with

does Dashwood offers an Avid plugin? would be nice if they do...


hector

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Neil Goodman
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 1:54:33 am

you positve about this? Shane Ross' article says Snow Leopard is a no go.

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production - NBC/Universal


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Oliver Peters
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 2:06:47 am

[Neil Goodman] "you positve about this? Shane Ross' article says Snow Leopard is a no go."

Avid folks said SL should work, but testing was done with Lion so that is the "certified" OS.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Bret Williams
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 6:40:10 pm

Whatever happened to that interface they had that was all bubbly and fisher price looking? When I demoed 5.5 recently, they had pretty much gone back to what I knew 10 years ago, with the new stuff added. Have they gotten rid of all the overlapping and confusing tools?


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Eduardo Serrano
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:09:17 pm

hmmm. They have "tabs" now at the window level and you can change the tabs into new windows etc like you would do with an adobe soft. It looks sleek and we didn't loose any of our previous features :]


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Bret Williams
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 8:33:53 pm

You mean like FCP 1.0. This was one of the coolest features in 1999! Tabbed views and customizable workspaces.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:11:04 pm

It's also worth noting that this release also includes a new software-only version of Symphony (v6). This also runs with the same five 3rd party I/O hardware companies, plus Avid hardware. It's at $6K and adds secondary color correction and universal format mastering with Avid hardware. The biggie is ProRes encode on a Mac through a licensing deal with Apple (MC, Symphony, NC).

- Oliver

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Erik Lindahl
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:23:43 pm

What is the big advantage of Symphony over Media Composer? I've got a hard time seeing in bullets why I should choose the 6K app over the 1.5K app (since I'm an FCP user currently)?

Media Composer or Symphony with DaVinci and After Effects on the same system seems like a nice solution to FCP / Color / After Effects.

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anthony mouchonnet
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:37:46 pm

After Apple's FCPX disaster, I was waiting to an alternative and it seams that we got it! I will wait for the trial to ensure the compatibility with our hardware and workflow based on prores files but 2012 will certainly be the year of my return to Avid after a couple of years with FCP.


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Oliver Peters
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 7:41:29 pm

[Erik Lindahl] "Media Composer or Symphony with DaVinci and After Effects on the same system seems like a nice solution to FCP / Color / After Effects."

I don't disagree. Symphony gives you more advanced color correction - meaning, secondaries and the ability to grade by source, clip or reel. Plus a second level of correction (program track). Also universal mastering if you have Avid hardware. That means you can cut at 24 and output at 25 or 30fps.

Both MC and Symphony include Avid FX (Boris RED), so that's equivalent to having AE in your timeline. New is that only Symphony now includes the BCC filters in the price. That would partly justify the difference in price.

If money is the main concern, then MC (with the FCP crossgrade) + Resolve Lite (free) would be your best bet. I'm not sure if there's any sort of upgrade/crossgrade for Symphony.

- Oliver

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Chris Conlee
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:38:57 pm

[Oliver Peters] "I'm not sure if there's any sort of upgrade/crossgrade for Symphony."

Yeah, I've got a question into Avid asking about that. Hopefully Marianne will get back to us shortly.

Chris


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Michael Gissing
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:44:28 pm

Will MC work with a Kona3? I've had a quick look but so far did see any confirmation of that


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 10:59:44 pm

[Michael Gissing] "Will MC work with a Kona3? I've had a quick look but so far did see any confirmation of that
"


The implication of the Avid webinar this morning seemed to implicate that all or the common AJA, BM, and Matrox I/O device were now fair game.

BTW, did anyone else watch the webinar? It was actually pretty lame, in the sense that the hostess who lead it was quite noticeably reading from a teleprompter, and doing a very poor job in doing so. I was actually feeling a bit embarrassed for her and for Avid. Did anyone else share my experience?

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Michael Gissing
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:08:39 pm

Thanks David. Another piece in the ongoing jigsaw


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Michael Gissing
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:11:08 pm

http://www.aja.com/news/index_article.php?id=162

Here what I was after


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Neil Goodman
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:57:34 pm

defiantely felt the same way. Also thought having the execs on there was kinda awkward. They looked like prompter readers as well.


Either way, looks like a great update. Not saying its an end all be all of NLE's now but it seems like they get it that people want familiarlarity in a program theyve come to grow and love, and that things dont need to change so drastically going into the next generation.

Neil Goodman: Editor of New Media Production - NBC/Universal


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Chris Conlee
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 3, 2011 at 11:59:22 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "I was actually feeling a bit embarrassed for her and for Avid."

Yeah, gotta say I was feeling the same way. For a company that specializes in media production, you'd think they could have hired proper talent. Kinda weird. Not to mention that the video was shy on the details I wanted and wasn't particularly persuasive from a marketing standpoint. Oh well. Still looking forward to giving MC6 a run.

Chris


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:07:51 am

[Chris Conlee] "Not to mention that the video was shy on the details I wanted and wasn't particularly persuasive from a marketing standpoint. Oh well. Still looking forward to giving MC6 a run."

I thought it was pretty shy on details and on just about everything I was expecting. It was very short and mostly focused on that poor hostess, who was given nothing to read but badly written hyperbole. I'm just thankful she didn't use the word "agile" even once, or I might have barfed up my breakfast, if you know what I'm referring to. But, I too am looking forward to giving MC^ a run for it's money, since I'm 99% certain it's my next NLE.

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Don't miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing "The Whale" to the Big Screen:
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David Lawrence
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:26:44 am

The tele-prompting made everyone seem pretty stiff, that's for sure.

The other thing that stood out was how many digs they got in at Apple. "New look, same feel" "Better, without forcing you to re-learn everything" etc, etc. Really emphasized listening to their customers. Clearly, FCPX has been a huge gift for this company.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 12:39:22 am

[David Lawrence] "The other thing that stood out was how many digs they got in at Apple. "New look, same feel" "Better, without forcing you to re-learn everything" etc, etc. Really emphasized listening to their customers. Clearly, FCPX has been a huge gift for this company."

They were clearly just dying to get a chance to say those words on camera. And you're right about the "gift," and at a time when it seems Avid needs all the gifts Apple can spare. Unfortunately, I suspect Apple is going to be gifting to them the professional space in perpetuity.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing "The Whale" to the Big Screen:
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Eduardo Serrano
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 1:01:24 am

the webminar was such a lame thing. They managed to show NO Ui in 30 mins..gosh.... at leat the update is good and will get improved with time. The chat with the developers, which i think one can still read on their forums is quite good tho.


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Erik Lindahl
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 10:05:38 am

Thanks!

Basically we could have 1 media composer + Da Vinci Lite as our "offline / edit" suite an a Symphony + Da Vinci as our "online suite" I guess. Seems the premium cost for Symphony might not be worth it for us though. We'll see.

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Rafael Amador
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 11:46:30 am

[David Roth Weiss] "The implication of the Avid webinar this morning seemed to implicate that all or the common AJA, BM, and Matrox I/O device were now fair game."
If they would support the ioHD that would help me to go for AVID instead of PP.
The ioHD was a bit of a scam, you never got HD monitoring out of FCP.
rafael

http://www.nagavideo.com


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:16:06 pm

[Rafael Amador] "If they would support the ioHD that would help me to go for AVID instead of PP."

I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be supported. They announced MC6 would have both ProRes encoding and decoding. So, that's a pretty good sign.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
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Michael Hancock
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:20:56 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "I can't see any reason why it wouldn't be supported."

The ioHD outputs through a firewire interface, doesn't it? Media Composer 6 doesn't support their own firewire hardware (Mojo and Adrenaline), so I think it's PCIe or nothing. It would be great if I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure it won't work because it's firewire.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:42:27 pm

[Michael Hancock] "The ioHD outputs through a firewire interface, doesn't it?"

Yes it does... It connects to the computer via FW800.

[Michael Hancock] "Media Composer 6 doesn't support their own firewire hardware (Mojo and Adrenaline), so I think it's PCIe or nothing. It would be great if I was wrong, but I'm pretty sure it won't work because it's firewire."

Well, that's not very encouraging... I take back what I said before.

Rafa, looks like you're SOL. Sorry!!!

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 5, 2011 at 1:27:07 am

[Rafael Amador] "The ioHD was a bit of a scam, you never got HD monitoring out of FCP."

I think you mean Color. You can certainly get HD out of FCP.

IoHD is fcp only:
http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/150/860908

It wasn't a scam, it worked as advertised for me.


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Hector berrebi
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 3:39:08 pm

[Erik Lindahl] "Basically we could have 1 media composer + Da Vinci Lite as our "offline / edit" suite an a Symphony + Da Vinci as our "online suite" I guess. Seems the premium cost for Symphony might not be worth it for us though. We'll see."

not exactly... :)

MC6 + a decent I/O card, good drives, a scope and a calibrated monitor (if you know what you're doing) is enough for a large bulk of your online work too. MC color tools are good. you can add magic bullet and resolve lite and you cover even more work.

for higher end finishing, just get resolve (6 times cheaper than Symphony and far superior for color work)

in any case... its hard for me to think of a specific reason why you would need Symphony for your workflow

my 2 cents..

hector

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Rafael Amador
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 4:36:58 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "Rafa, looks like you're SOL. Sorry!!!"
Better to know the bad new from the beginning, don't you think so?
Is a pity. Is a nice device.
rafa

http://www.nagavideo.com


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 4:46:30 pm

[Rafael Amador] "Better to know the bad new from the beginning, don't you think so?"

Absolutely!

[Rafael Amador] "Is a pity. Is a nice device."

It fulfilled a need that nothing else could at the time, albeit for a very brief period of time.

If I were you Rafa, I'd sell it ASAP and use the proceeds to buy a Matrox device, such as the new MXO2 LE with T-bolt. That way you'll be covered in just about every way possible.

David Roth Weiss
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Los Angeles
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Don't miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing "The Whale" to the Big Screen:
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Rafael Amador
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 5:17:21 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "If I were you Rafa, I'd sell it ASAP"
If I would stay in any civilized area of the world I would try to sell it :-)
I thought that AJA stopped selling the ioHD some time ago, but to my surprise no.
I bought it because at the time was the only solution for pro monitoring on a MBP.
For me is time to wait, see, and don't spend a dollar till things settle down.
"Volatility" is the word: FCP, Mac Pros, Greece, the Eurozone..God!!
(need to switch of for a while :-)
rafael

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Franz Bieberkopf
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 5:18:00 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "... and use the proceeds to buy a Matrox device, such as the new MXO2 LE with T-bolt. That way you'll be covered in just about every way possible."

David,

I'm not so sure about that. I attempted a 30 day trial on PPro and it was pretty flaky with my MXO2 LE - from the Matrox forums here that seems to be a common experience; my feeling is "wait and see" with both Matrox and Adobe, hopefully they can develop more convincing stability.

I'm interested to hear more about using it with Avid too.

It's pretty good with my FCP7 set-up though I find the audio scrub response is a bit laggy. There were problems with Matrox drivers / FCP for a long time though they seem to be ironed out.

Franz.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 5:35:34 pm

[Franz Bieberkopf] "I attempted a 30 day trial on PPro and it was pretty flaky with my MXO2 LE - from the Matrox forums here that seems to be a common experience; my feeling is "wait and see" with both Matrox and Adobe, hopefully they can develop more convincing stability.
"


I actually heard that the latest drivers appear to have solved many of the earlier issues people were encountering with PPro and MXO2, but I haven't tried that combo myself.

However, I may check it out over the weekend if it keeps raining here. If I get a chance to do it I'll report back here with my results.

And yes, the audio problems with MXO2 (I have an LE) have been a bit of a bear. Even those new drivers I posted about on the Matrox forum still appear to be imperfect, though they are an improvement over the previous drivers.

David Roth Weiss
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David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
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Don't miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing "The Whale" to the Big Screen:
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Franz Bieberkopf
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 8:53:59 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "I actually heard that the latest drivers ..."

David,

The forums seem to be a grande chorale work based around this theme (lots of debates on dissonance vs. harmony), but I'd be interested to your results if you get around to it.

I'm still on 10.6.7 and I was using the latest pre-Lion drivers.

Franz.


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Erik Lindahl
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 4:47:11 pm

No, I have a hard time seeing why we'd go with Symphony at all. Are the other "online-type-tools" better? Motion tracking? Effects?

Normally I go FCP > COLOR > AE > FCP or FCP > COLOR > FCP if not FX-shot are in the mix currently. I'm about to evaluate Resolve Lite but I think we'd go with the big brother as soon as we upgrade to the correct hardware (wrong GPU, video card and somewhat slow machine at the moment).

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Oliver Peters
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 4, 2011 at 6:48:26 pm

[Erik Lindahl] "No, I have a hard time seeing why we'd go with Symphony at all. Are the other "online-type-tools" better? Motion tracking? Effects?"

If you are in a situation where you need a fast turnaround with the ability to work within an integrated tool that lets you still make edits, the roundtrip solution is a disaster. DS, Symphony, Smoke or Quantel Pablo/iQ/eQ are the only options. That's a small niche, but for those folks who need it, such a system is essential. Granted, Symphony is not the best color correction tool or compositor in this class, but it's still very good. Literally thousands of hours of TV are cranked out annually worldwide on Symphony systems, as well as a few feature films.

- Oliver

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Erik Lindahl
Re: Avid Media Composer 6 Unveiled
on Nov 7, 2011 at 10:39:22 am

I get that for sure.

I asked in anther thread as well but is the UI of MC6 still "old looking" as in all text isn't anti-aliaised? If so, can you fix that? I'd hate to jump back 15 years in time staring at fuggly fonts all day long.

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