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David Lawrence
Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:14:13 pm

Folks,

I didn't know until I got a email from Boris this morning so just want to pass along the word that Soundbite is available for purchase and for a limited time, on sale for $295.

I bought it immediately and put it thru a couple simple tests. All I can say is WOW! This thing is freaking magic. A real game changer. Try it free and see for yourself:

http://www.borisfx.com/store/cart.php?target=category&category_id=74

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:16:00 pm

FCPXML? :-D


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David Lawrence
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:19:15 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "FCPXML? :-D"

LOL! not yet, but eventually, right?

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Andrew Richards
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:26:38 pm

[David Lawrence] "LOL! not yet, but eventually, right?"

Maybe in a "few" weeks?

:-)

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David Roth Weiss
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:37:11 pm

Let's just say it's a round #2 game changer. GET, which is Boris Soundbite's no long available predecessor, changed that game well over a year prior using the exact same speech recognition technology.

In fact, here's my GET review: http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/get-review/1.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:37:50 pm

It's the same tech, ain't it? Different wrapper?


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:43:44 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "It's the same tech, ain't it? Different wrapper?"

I'm not yet sure what's different or what's the same. All I know at this point is both are powered by the same engine, and mysteriously Soundbite appeared ever so shortly after GET disappeared.

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David Lawrence
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:54:13 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "I'm not yet sure what's different or what's the same. All I know at this point is both are powered by the same engine, and mysteriously Soundbite appeared ever so shortly after GET disappeared."

Now if they can just get it working in reverse to generate accurate transcripts...

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:54:56 pm

[David Lawrence] "Now if they can just get it working in reverse to generate accurate transcripts..."

This is what I would love too.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 10:03:40 pm

[David Lawrence] "Now if they can just get it working in reverse to generate accurate transcripts...
"


We absolutely do need a transcription creation tool with enough accuracy to be truly useful. I attempted to use Adobe Speech Search yet again just the other day, and unfortunately, it's every bit as useless for documentary work today as it was 2.5 years ago when I first reviewed it.

Accuracy, even with near-perfect recordings, is hardly 50%, so the transcripts provide just and equal amount interference as they do help. So, simply stated, transcriptions from Speech Search cannot be honestly touted as improving efficiency at all.

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TImothy Auld
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 4, 2011 at 3:21:07 pm

Interesting. I only used it once and it work well for me. Now you have me wanting to try it again to see if my positive experience was the exception rather than the rule.

bigpine


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TImothy Auld
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 4, 2011 at 3:19:56 pm

Pretty sure Premiere will do this for you with speech analysis.

bigpine


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David Lawrence
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 3, 2011 at 9:42:17 pm

[David Roth Weiss] "Let's just say it's a round #2 game changer. GET, which is Boris Soundbite's no long available predecessor, changed that game well over a year prior using the exact same speech recognition technology. "

Absolutely! A friend in LA was a Beta Tester for GET so I learned about it a while ago, but missed the window when it was being sold by AV3. So glad it's finally back on the market. I really could have used it last month.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 4, 2011 at 12:13:09 pm

Soundbite, GET and Avid's Phrasefind are all powered by Nexidia. They own the IP and control licensing costs, which is why Avid has to sell it as an option. It's also the same engine behind Avid's ScriptSync. I don't know why Nexidia changed from AV3 to Boris, but I presume they felt they could get better sales through Boris' channels.

The main difference between Soundbite/GET and Phrasefind is that the former works externally and Phrasefind works inside the Media Composer host. Both work off of matching phonetics in the waveform against a language library. This means matches have a high degree of accuracy, but it's a fundamentally opposite process from actual speech transcription. So, Nexidia looks like magic, whereas Adobe's tool comes across as clunky.

The difference in accuracy is because in Soundbite, GET and Phrasefind, Nexidia can interpolate the areas between recognized words and make matches. It can also deal with words that are misspelled but a phonetic match. Since the "guesses" return valid matches, the process appears near perfect. In the other direction - generating text from such matches - results are gibberish, because in the case of Adobe, it tries to make grammatical and phrase sense out of something that it often sees as nonsense. This gives you hilarious and completely useless results.

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David Roth Weiss
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 4, 2011 at 4:34:12 pm

[Oliver Peters] "in the case of Adobe, it tries to make grammatical and phrase sense out of something that it often sees as nonsense. This gives you hilarious and completely useless results."

Yes, the results in Adobe Speech Search can be very funny indeed. Unfortunately, it's not funny when you try to use the results in the traditional manner we most often need for documentaries and other interview driven projects.

If you work inside Premiere, Speech Search does work, as it allows you to find and key on those words that are interpreted correctly, and it will jump to those words instantly in the associated media file, very similar to the way GET does its thing. While that does fulfill a nice function, the traditional method of simply being able to follow along with a printed transcript would be much more useful, and it's a real shame the technology isn't accurate enough to make that functionality truly useful. Folks at Adobe suggested the accuracy would improve over time, but it it hasn't changed much, if at all, over the last 2.5 years.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Boris Soundbite - On Sale Now!
on Oct 5, 2011 at 12:20:02 am

[David Roth Weiss] "Speech Search does work, as it allows you to find and key on those words that are interpreted correctly..... Folks at Adobe suggested the accuracy would improve over time, but it it hasn't changed much, if at all, over the last 2.5 years."

Correct. I once had this conversation with product management at Adobe. They admitted that they oversold the capabilities of the function and should have promoted it as a keyword search tool. That's basically what came in with CS5.5. They also told me that over various years of researching the speech-to-text field, they were told by the experts that perfection was 5-10 years away. They told me they've been given that same future milestone over the course of 10+ years of research. It's always 5-10 years away! ;-)

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