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Glen Hurd
The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:54:39 pm

"The first patent taken out by Edison was in 1869. It was for a vote-recording machine. The machine was designed to secure privacy in voting and to prevent fraud in public elections. The politicians did not want any such machine to come into general use, and the voters were not ready for it, so his first invention proved a flat failure. Edison, however, gained a valuable lesson from this experience. He resolved never to make an invention that was not wanted and that could not be made a commercial success. From that day on, Edison would not begin a project until after he studied with great care the possible demand for it, the cost of making the invention, and the probable profits from its manufacture and sale." (p.34)

Here are some comments from someone who, I think we'd all agree, was supposed to be the target audience.







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Andy Neil
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:03:57 pm

Why would he be the target audience? There weren't any edits in his video. He doesn't even need an NLE. He probably just posts directly to you tube from his phone.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Glen Hurd
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:40:15 pm

He started on Premiere on PC, and moved to FCP and got a "mac" because FCP was "easier." He does more than vlog, having 2 other channels - TobyGames and Tobuscus. Over 5 million views for this one.





He did make some comments about FCP almost a year back - obviously he was struggling a little. But when he mentioned that he owned a mac for FCP, he had to add ". . . if you know anything about Mac - I'm sure you probably hate Mac, 'cause most people do, but I just have Final Cut Pro, 'cause it's easier than Premiere for me - I think. Now I don't know . . ."

So, FCP was a draw to a guy who can barely understand what he's doing. It caused him to buy into a completely strange platform (mac). And he's got enough presence on the web that the gaming community has tied into him. Seems like a typical target for cheap video editing software - to me.

I think it's ironic as hell that FCP would convert him from Premiere, and that FCP X would get his head to explode. Maybe we should invite him to the forum. :)


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Andy Neil
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 6:59:44 pm

[Glen Hurd] "Seems like a typical target for cheap video editing software - to me...I think it's ironic as hell that FCP would convert him from Premiere, and that FCP X would get his head to explode. Maybe we should invite him to the forum."

The guy has the attention span of a gerbil. The only thing he's typical of is ADHD, and why you shouldn't take Ritalin while pregnant.

But go ahead and invite him in. I'm sure he'd have lots of wonderful things to say about the planes that are flying overhead in his neighborhood.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Glen Hurd
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:11:54 pm

You're right - why would we want his thoughts on anything. He's no pro, right?

PS. I'm going to try, but anyone who can get James Cameron to vlog with him may be hard to get to. ;)








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Andy Neil
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:52:31 pm

Look it's obvious that you've got a man-crush on him. That's fine. I just think it's funny how you position FCPX as a "cheap" editor targeted for barely knowledgeable vloggers, and then criticize me for not considering him a PRO because he interviewed James Cameron.

And for the record, I made no mention about whether or not he is "pro" or even "pro enough." I don't make distinctions like that.

But I do question the validity of his opinion on FCPX based solely on his own admissions. He obviously barely used it (the video is dated the day after FCPX was released), and he even admits that his friends like it and maybe he needs to learn how to use it.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Glen Hurd
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 9:28:33 pm

C'mon Andy. I have a man crush on you, too.

I didn't criticize you for not considering him pro. I would never do that . . .

But I did bring him up as, what I think to be, a typical user of video that Apple could have been easily targeting.
Whether you like his style or not, isn't it at least interesting that he feels Apple missed the mark for his needs as well?

What I was responding to you on was the implied message that if he's ADHD (and not using that style to show off his intelligence and timing) then what's there to learn from his position? That's what I was responding to.
And it was really a little, little dig at you. I could try peppering my comments with smiley faces, but that would start to lose its meaning, too - just like the word "pro." :)

I brought him up as an example of someone I think is a classic target for FCP X - someone who needs more than iMovie, but wouldn't need the complexity of FCP original. Someone whose ingest needs are probably all file-based. Someone whose audience can be reached completely through the internet. Someone who doesn't have difficult quality-control issues to consider. No special effects. Pretty much fits the demographic, right?

Considering all those factors, he has a pretty annoyed reaction to the "solution" aimed right at him. So the (implied) question is "why?" Did his experience with Premiere and FCP 7 color his language and interface skills enough that FCP X becomes its own barrier? Is the simplicity of a normal timeline something we take for granted, but something a less experienced editor might find essential? That would be ironic, wouldn't it?

Most people are looking at FCP X from a pretty experienced perspective. Here's a chance to see someone coming at it from the other side - yet having a very similar reaction. I find that intellectually interesting.

Instead, I see responses about him being annoying and a poster boy for ADHD. I didn't post the link as a recommendation to his channel - my son just introduced him to me today. My son's 12.

But it is an example of Apple missing a target. Maybe it's just one guy. Or maybe it's a thousand. At least I have an example of someone giving an honest assessment who doesn't even know about The Cow, or even have any loyalty to Apple. ie. He's not a FCP instructor/training facility giving me his opinion on the future of editing. (That's called conflict of interest. See the difference?)

As to the "pro" issue, I'm getting tired of a term that means nothing. If "pro" simply means to make money or a living, then it loses it's value in language, because it basically describes everything. The minute you make money with something, it becomes "pro" and, ergo, should be respected. If I write a brochure in Simpletext and get paid for it, does that make it "pro" software?
In the colloquial sense, no.
Pro football means the best of the best. Pro soccer - the same thing. It's supposed to define the elite.

So how would you describe good software that is quite useable all the way to the top of an industry? How about those who can push that software to its limits and beyond - as part of their own experience? Can we say that Avid is "hotshot" editing software, and that those who use it are "hotshots?"

Hmm. This could be difficult.

Heh.


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Andy Neil
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 12:04:19 am

[Glen Hurd] "Considering all those factors, he has a pretty annoyed reaction to the "solution" aimed right at him. So the (implied) question is "why?" Did his experience with Premiere and FCP 7 color his language and interface skills enough that FCP X becomes its own barrier?"

This is actually an interesting thought. Personally, I think Apple has an uphill battle to gain acceptance of their new paradigm since the old one has been in place for 30 years based on paradigm that has been around more than 100. Not that FCPX is really THAT radically different in practice. Sure the terminology has changed, but you still build a sequence in a timeline and sort clips into bins. It's different enough to cause people to stumble though, particularly if they weren't expecting it.

[Glen Hurd] "What I was responding to you on was the implied message that if he's ADHD (and not using that style to show off his intelligence and timing) then what's there to learn from his position?"

Actually, I was trying to point out that he probably lacks the patience to learn a new editing system quickly.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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kim krause
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 9:48:06 am

thank you glen for having the balls to say what i've been thinking for awhile now...i'm always getting into fight s with so called pro editors (read: old farts that have been editing forever who need a kick in the ass
our industry has gone thru huge changes and is constantly evolving...fcpX is just another part of the evolution...get on bus or get left by the curb! i just got a nasty reply from someone when i mentioned that i look forward to the day i can post a whole show on a iPad then upload it to youtube and get 5 million hits and make a ton of cash.......hahahahaha


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Glen Hurd
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 12:39:59 pm

Hey Kim, my point wasn't to kick old farts in the ass - especially since I am one, heh ;) I was just pointing out that FCP X may not be the panacea for those using video/edits on the web either. I admire your enthusiasm, but I'd like to cautiously point out that success isn't easy.

How can you make money on the web unless you can draw a consistent audience? And since millions are trying to draw millions, you will need a "special ingredient" to capture that audience and keep it.

The easiest method is porn, but that has its own limitations, and may not lead you very far in terms of developing a lot of professional talent (there's that word again - "professional." Maybe it should be "marketable" instead. Is FCP X "marketable" software? Yeah!!! I like that !!!! OK. So I may be a little ADHD myself.)

In one corner, there is the ingredient of "wow." I would put FreddieW in that category. But his ingredient takes a lot of focus. You can tell he spends a lot of time studying film - probably with the sound turned off - to evaluate what camera moves evoke the emotion he's looking for. He then exagerates them - for humor - adds in some very sophisticated effects, and even uses some exotic photography platforms - quadcopter in his latest. That's a lot of work. And he does have a partner and staff working with him each week. Also, his workflow would keep him from being able to use FCP X, because FCP X is clumsy when sharing content with other programs.

In the other corner, there is the ingredient of "personality." There are a lot more people in this category because it isn't as research intensive - although it still requires a measure of intelligence and deep knowledge. HuskyStarcraft is a classic. Fast talking, self-depricating humor, and fairly in-depth knowledge of StarCraft while doing game-play analysis. Throw in a music video once in a while, and you've got another 6 million views.
So, when a personality driven show shows disdain for FCP X, I do a double take.
In fact, if I saw a youtuber celebrating FCP X, I'd "bring" him here as well. I just like getting input from those outside our community, to see if Apple really targeted them as well as we think they tried to.

Either way, it is a lot of work to gather an audience, and keep them. The more tools you have, and the better you know those tools, the better your odds of succeeding. In the most basic sense, video is about manipulating someone else's mind - "should I watch Freddie's video or join my friends on Battlenet?" And every day your audience is getting more and more jaded.

If you can pull it off, there is a lot of potential for you. Jon Favreau was recently on Jimmy Kimmel's show, joking that his internet star-power took off when he did a cameo with FreddieW but ". . . in a movie that I directed with Harrison Ford in it . . . it's like get away . . . " Of course he's joking. But there's no doubt Freddie and Brandon are on a great trajectory, but FreddieW isn't an example of someone using an easy path to fame and fortune.
I don't think there is an easy path.


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Tony Brittan
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 15, 2011 at 3:52:26 am

Have you seen ColabraCam for iPad / iPhone? Check it out.


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Chris Harlan
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 7:02:46 pm

I think the guy's a hoot, and if he bring a little extra focus to his madness, he might indeed go somewhere. He has an innate presence.


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Glen Hurd
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 8:25:38 pm

He is going somewhere, I'm pretty sure. :) He just knows his audience.

But aside from his style, I find it ironic that his simpler needs still leave him feeling cold about FCPX. That is part of the mystery of Apple's "target" and whether they really researched it or simply plunged in.

While we've postulated that Apple was going after a more internet-driven ecosystem, I think his comments are interesting. Remember, he switched from Premiere to FCP original because FCP was easier.

Here's someone as successful as FreddieW (in terms of viewer draw) making comments on FCP X - so my ears prick up, as I've always assumed they were Apple's easiest audience - remember iMovie import?

Toby did mention that one of his friends was going to teach him how to use FCP X - but even they were saying it's only good for vlogs.


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Andy Neil
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 8:43:29 pm

[Glen Hurd] "Toby did mention that one of his friends was going to teach him how to use FCP X - but even they were saying it's only good for vlogs."

True, but if Toby's friend is a vlogger, I would take that with a grain of salt.

Personally, if they fixed 3 things...2 things actually (multicam and export OMF, AAF, XML), I would work on it in a heartbeat for the multi-camera competition show I'm cutting right now. A vlogger's not going to need or care about the incredibly powerful organizational tools FCPX has. For wrapping my head around lots of video, it works great. I may stumble a bit in the cutting stage, but no more than I did in the early years production years with FCP. Some things are much more handy in TV show post environment with FCPX.

Andy

http://www.timesavertutorials.com


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Scott Sheriff
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 11:00:23 pm

[Chris Harlan] " He has an innate presence."

How can one have an innate presence?
Innate means to come by knowledge naturally, to have a natural born skill, or be instinctively good at something.
Did you mean inane, which means pointless, annoying, or lacking sense?
Because he is certainly that.

Scott Sheriff
Director
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com


"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ---Red Adair

Where were you on 6/21?


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Chris Harlan
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 12:54:03 am

Oh, dear. Fogey much?

Innate presence is actor speak for "know how to love the camera, and how to get the camera to love you back." All in the eye of the beholder, of course, but I see bankable talent there. And he's taking the tools he's got and he is turning them into something. Good for him.


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Scott Sheriff
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 3:48:59 am

[Chris Harlan] "Innate presence is actor speak for "know how to love the camera"

Sarcasm. I'm saying he's hella annoying and not much else.

Scott Sheriff
Director
http://www.sstdigitalmedia.com


"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ---Red Adair

Where were you on 6/21?


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Chris Harlan
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 5:21:52 am

[Scott Sheriff] "Sarcasm. I'm saying he's hella annoying and not much else.
"


Really?! I had no idea that's what you meant. Thanks for clearing that up. (place wryly winking emoticon here)


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 5:56:45 pm

after about thirty seconds, he became fantastically annoying.


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Dan Stewart
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 9:01:07 pm

Yeah but with a script..



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Dave LaRonde
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:07:27 pm

[Glen Hurd] "Here are some comments from someone who, I think we'd all agree, was supposed to be the target audience."

People actually WATCH this maroon? He actually has a following? Unbelievable.....

I reached my annoyance threshold at about a minute-thirty.

Can anyone with more patience than I have, or someone with more compassion for those suffering from ADHD that I apparently possess, kindly summarize what this genius has to say about FCX?

Dave LaRonde
Sr. Promotion Producer
KCRG-TV (ABC) Cedar Rapids, IA


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Aindreas Gallagher
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 13, 2011 at 10:36:41 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Can anyone with more patience than I have, or someone with more compassion for those suffering from ADHD that I apparently possess, kindly summarize what this genius has to say about FCX?"

not a gigantic amount? He doesn't like it tho - the funny thing is - he's well aware of imovie - thats his first reaction, that its imovie pro.
that's what annoying him, the software that he's familiar with as imovie being the new FCP is his point of irritation.

Which really rather raises an interesting question about whether or not ubillos's redesign of imovie ever truly gained traction in the mindset of casual mac users.
If apple in fact, spurning research, somewhat imagined an unexplored, larger base of imovie snowboarders.

Apple may have gotten the entire thing wrong because the whole point of this was a bait and switch where they drag just enough of a reluctant broadcast market, and simultaneously explode the imovie base.

the professional base is currently urinating on this software from a height of clouds, and if this guy's anything like the anecdotal truth, then apple may have completely miscalculated this entire thing.

Which means they may have burned the entire decade's worth of an editing software base for nothing in the end, if, in fact, the new entrant base fizzles and dies. No facility I know of is purchasing a single FCPX license. I've ranted this fact in the past, but it keeps being true as a mortal lock.

not that I think any of this will leave them red eyed with terror and fatigue in cupertino. this whole situation is the smallest, smallest cheese.


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kim krause
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 9:52:08 am

like i said earlier...you suffer from old farts syndrome...this guy is totally tuned into his generation....remember what that was like back in the 60's? i'm sure you do!


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Gary Huff
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 3:14:14 pm

[kim krause]like i said earlier...you suffer from old farts syndrome...this guy is totally tuned into his generation....remember what that was like back in the 60's? i'm sure you do!

I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make.


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Herb Sevush
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 6:12:55 pm

This guy has nothing to say but he says it funny. It's nice to see someone striving so hard for his 15 minutes.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions


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Martti Ekstrand
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 12:10:34 pm

[Dave LaRonde] "Can anyone with more patience than I have, or someone with more compassion for those suffering from ADHD that I apparently possess, kindly summarize what this genius has to say about FCX?"

It's not easy to grok anything he says but I think the nick name he came up with for FCX is spot on:

Final Cut Proxy.


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Morten Ranmar
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 14, 2011 at 6:10:47 pm

Why am I reading this thread. Do I nor have more important things to do?

- No Parking Production -

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Esteban Gonzalez
Re: The Story of Inventions - Frank P Bachman
on Sep 16, 2011 at 8:33:09 pm

i don't think ADHD. Seems like a Daniel Tosh wanna be or less harshly just influenced by him.

and its hard to deny that fcp x isn't imovie pro. same magnetic timeline and same way of how to manipulate things. just with much greater control. but not as much control as previously available in FCP.


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