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Marvin Holdman
Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 6:56:07 am

So... thinking it might be time to see how many Third Party Apps are available as of now?

Everyone, what's out there? And is it available on the App store?

Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
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Oliver Peters
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 12:33:35 pm

There is very little for FCP X, because Apple hasn't released its SDK for the new version of XML. So far, there's Automatic Duck ProExportFCP 5.0 and Assisted Editing's Event Manager. Noise Industries, CHV, CrumblePop and Red Giant have some plug-ins for FCP X and Motion 5. GenArts is in beta with Sapphire Edge for FCP X. A lot of people have posted free effects that function as presets in Motion 5 and therefore FCP X.

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Tim Wilson
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 12:46:41 pm

[Oliver Peters] "A lot of people have posted free effects that function as presets in Motion 5 and therefore FCP X."

For some examples, check the FCPX Techniques forum here at the COW.


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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 2:50:30 pm

CGM Plugins, motionVFX Plugins, Digital Rebellion Pro Maintenance Tools have plugins out.
Digieffects and BorisFX have promised support. As Oliver points out there's a lot of wait on API and Stu Maschwitz of RedGiant also mentions bugs that Apple must fix first.



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Marvin Holdman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 10:22:16 pm

So....

Let me see if I've got this straight. Apple says they're going to have 3rd party vendors restore the functionality to the program, but they haven't released the API's so those folks can fix it because the software is to buggy?

Wow. I keep coming back here hoping to hear all the great progress that's been made, but now you're telling me they can't even release the API's because the application is still not ready?

Why in the world would they release it like this? AND EOL a functional (though somewhat aged) application? I keep thinking this will make sense one day, but the more time goes on the less sense any of this makes.

I thought it was fatalistic to believe it would take over a year to get this program at least to the point that it was viable as a tool, now I'm wondering if it might not take even longer (or happen at all). Guess I'm the foolish one to think there might be any sort of plan in all of this. The more time passes, the less likely that seems. Unless, of course, the plan was to kill any possibility of this program EVER being taken seriously. Guess this is one way of never having to again carry the burden of being the largest market share of the NLE market. If THAT was the plan... then BRILLIANT!!!!

Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username - vidmarv


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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 30, 2011 at 10:33:50 pm

[Marvin Holdman] "Why in the world would they release it like this?"

I can speculate but people don't seem to like that.
They had a hard release date (think about the reasons why that might happen) and decided to release it in its current state.



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Marvin Holdman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 12:02:32 am

I certainly understand what you are saying regarding deadlines, but...

What a horrible message this sends to a group of folks that have been their biggest fans. Perhaps they didn't intend to send such a message, but the perception (for most) is pretty rotten. I had honestly hoped they would have had more damage control than this. Third party developers can't wait forever for API's and given the new "App Store" world that we live in, I fear many are going to see this tardiness as simply exclusion and move on.

However great some of the core concepts may be, I fear if no one is left to step up and restore the functionality (as suggested by Apple's FAQ) then this app may die on the vine.

Marvin Holdman
Production Manager
Tourist Network
8317 Front Beach Rd, Suite 23
Panama City Beach, Fl
phone 850-234-2773 ext. 128
cell 850-585-9667
skype username - vidmarv


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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 12:18:44 am

[Marvin Holdman] "What a horrible message this sends to a group of folks that have been their biggest fans."

A major serious marketing problem. Present it to high end pros at NAB SuperMeet and then deliver something that niche specifically can't use at least upon release. By Apple standards the release was very "quiet" which is why I suspect they were backed into a difficult place that they couldn't market out of. No "special event' and no Apple home page "splash." Even the Apple Retail stores didn't have it on display for some time.

[Marvin Holdman] " I had honestly hoped they would have had more damage control than this. Third party developers can't wait forever for API's and given the new "App Store" world that we live in, I fear many are going to see this tardiness as simply exclusion and move on. "

I suspect Apple is talking quietly to developers about things. Stu Maschwitz said on his own blot that they're talking to Apple.

[Marvin Holdman] "However great some of the core concepts may be, I fear if no one is left to step up and restore the functionality (as suggested by Apple's FAQ) then this app may die on the vine."

I suspect FCPX sales are high enough that development will happen. Plugin makers are doing what they can given the severe limits at the moment. There's a lot of money riding on this from all parts including Apple, not that that's any guarantee of success. I do think Apple is motivated because I think they're hopping FCPX would sell Macs.



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Gary Pollard
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 10:22:51 am

Ironically, many of the same people complaining about them bringing out a substandard product to meet a release date are now complaining that they aren't releasing the updates in time to meet a release date.

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"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"



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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 12:02:45 am

It looks like Digital Film Tools Rays plugin just came out for FCPX.



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Andy Field
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 6:24:31 am

Can anyone explain why anyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to make FCP X work for them? What's the point?

We had a program that worked for virtually every professional need - we just wanted it faster with no transcoding -- instead we got an Alpha release that doesn't do.....well we all know what it doesn't do.

And we've paid 300 for the privilege of working out the bugs for Apple for who knows how long?

This is absurd -- speculating what Apple might do and when they might do it -- folks who do this for a living don't have time to learn a half baked program -- we're busy helping clients with programs that work as advertised

Andy Field
FieldVision Productions
N. Bethesda, Maryland 20852


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alban egger
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 7:50:52 am

[Andy Field] "Can anyone explain why anyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to make FCP X work for them? What's the point?
"


Because the parts that are working are so good, simple as that.



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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:04:11 am

[Andy Field] "Can anyone explain why anyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel trying to make FCP X work for them? What's the point? "

For me FCPX untwisted pretzels I had in Avid for over 10 years and FCP legacy for another 10 years. Keywords do for me easier than bins. Connected clips and Secondary Storylines are a relationship I've always wanted because, for me, they represent more control over vertical or horizontal relationships. While I loved Avid trimming, for a decade FCP legacy could never match it with it's poorly implemented timeline trimming. While I won't say FCPX is "better" than Avid, FCPX finally shows a good direction with timeline trimming.

ALL the above need improvements in FCPX and there's scores of other things not or poorly implemented but the above things are such major improvements in direction FOR ME, I'm willing to struggle with some of the other things (and sometimes not willing to struggle). I'd rather do multicam in FCP7 for example.

If I truly foresee being tied in knots in FCPX, I know not to go there. But in order to gain the "knowing" I also have to spend time with it. I remember being very frustrated with FCP 1.25 for the first week after spending 12 years on Avid. By the 2nd weekend I saw major improvements in some workflows and saw others couldn't begin to touch Avid.

There comes a time when, in the process of an app's growth, you can ask the question, can it handle the jobs I personally need to do. Sometimes you may even need to ask that on a job by job basis. If and when that threshold is crossed, you can move. Sometimes some things don't match things we loved (Avid trimming vs FCP trimming for me). There comes a point when you decide that in the cost benefit analysis, there's enough to be gained to make a move.

And. . . it's important that in order understand (Grok) a new tool, one may have to work at expunging old thinking, to not try to force a new thing to work like the old, to see if the new way has value. Had I made my decision after a week of FCP legacy, I would have stuck with Avid. Once you really know the new language can you honestly determine if you can speak good pros and poetry and tell the story you want.



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Craig Seeman
Re: Third Party Apps
on Aug 31, 2011 at 8:17:32 am

[Andy Field] "And we've paid 300 for the privilege of working out the bugs for Apple for who knows how long? "

I have never meet a program that was bug free. I also know that the first version of any new app or even a major upgrade is going to have a fair number of bugs and some of them are very serious.

[Andy Field] "This is absurd -- speculating what Apple might do and when they might do it "

I can use whatever I want now and either Apple will deliver improvements in a fashion timely for me or not. In every case we can asses current value and long term investment. $300 is pocket change compared to the $60k+ an Avid system used to cost.

As they say in financial investing, they give you lots of nice performance history and will follow with a disclaimer that past history is not a guarantee of future performance. Personally, I think Apple has a good history understanding User Interface in both hardware and software. Of course maybe this will be the hockey puck mouse (remember that?) but Apple has also has a history of fixing their mistakes. This is my evaluation suited for ME. It's my choice to invest and at $300 it costs nothing more than a penny stock.

[Andy Field] "folks who do this for a living don't have time to learn a half baked program"

Maybe you're in the wrong business. I've spent 30 years learning half baked programs to get work done. I used an Avid in 1990 and the images were near useless compared to a CMX 6000. I also knew that Avid would win that market.

[Andy Field] "we're busy helping clients with programs that work as advertised"

And that should never be the road block to examining products that may give you a better ROI in the future even if you can't use it until (or if) that future arrives.



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