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Mark Dobson
Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 6:42:17 am

I'm about to follow the advice of David Roth Weiss of partitioning a fresh drive in my MacPro and installing FCP X and Lion on it to see if it cures the dreadful instability I've encountered running FCP X on my main drive.

(yes, together with FCP 7 and everything else in the kitchen sink)

What could be a joy is a real pain.

I am through putting projects but with great difficulty.

I've got a 2009 2.8Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon with a ATI Radeon HD 5770 card and 14 GBs of memory.

From what I've read this should be easily up to the task of running FCP X.

However I could be wrong because the instability I've encountered is really extreme and involves constant spinning balls, crashes, force quits, trashing preferences and computer re boots.

So the only way for me to find out what's at the root of my problems is to do this fresh install.

I don't want Lion on my core drive as quite a few bits of essential software have not caught up with Lion yet.

Presumably I will have to clone my existing OS X Snow Leopard operating system onto one of the partitions in order to upgrade it to Lion?

And also I will presumably also need to install all my essential peripheral software such as Compressor and Motion

Has anybody else done this fresh install and how did it affect performance?

If so I would welcome your feedback prior to me carrying out this activity.

Also am I the only person to encounter severe operational problems?

Have people noticed improvements in operating FCP X under Lion?

Thanks

Mark Dobson
Producer and Director
Alembic TV
http://www.alembic.tv


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Bill Paris
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 8:13:32 am

Mark,
I just completed exactly what your planning and it worked well. I had read on other threads that FCP-X does not perform well on Snow Leopard, but I haven't tried it. I did however install FCPX on a partition running Lion (clean Install), You have to update Snow Leopard to the latest version before installing Lion, then FCPX should install without issue.

I haven't tried any heavy lifting with the program yet, but it's running smoothly so far.(No Spinning wheels)
The only thing wrong with it in my opinion...... well I'm sure you've already read all about it's problems in other posts!

Good luck with your install!

Bill Paris
Producer/Director of Photography
Crew Hawaii Television
http://www.crewhawaii.com


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Mark Dobson
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 8:16:43 am

Thanks Bill,

So are you using FCP X as part of your production workflow yet?

Yeah and I'd love to hear your opinion!

mark

Mark Dobson
Producer and Director
Alembic TV
http://www.alembic.tv


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Bill Paris
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 5:51:02 pm

Mark,

"So are you using FCP X as part of your production workflow yet?"

No.... just playing around with it at this point. My initial take is that I like it about as much as I liked Imovie...... not very much. To be fair I haven't had that much time working with it to get much done, but it makes me mad that if I want to stick with the FCP platform, I now have to learn a new UI after a decade of working with the old version of the program. Having come from tape based computer editing, I've had to learn my share of "new technology". I was hoping that by sticking with FCP, I could continue to improve at using the program, while learning new features over the coming years. I didn't expect a "re-design" of FCP that would completely change the way the program works. In the end it may work out that the new FCP is indeed better, especially once Apple tweeks the program to address the issues many editors are pointing out. In the meantime ..... like many editors that rely on this program to make a living, I'll keep using FCP-7, play with the FCP-X and experiment with Avid and Adobe Premiere. Good luck ...... please let us know your thoughts once you've had a chance to try it out!

Bill Paris
Producer/Director of Photography
Crew Hawaii Television
http://www.crewhawaii.com


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Petros Kolyvas
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 2:59:44 pm

You can install Lion without upgrading from Snow Leopard in a few easy steps.

-Download/Purchase the Lion installer from the App Store
-Right click on the installer and "Show package contents"
-Browse to "Shared Support" and in there is InstallESD.dmg (this is the Lion boot disk image!)
-Use disk utility to burn a DVD of the Lion disk or use target disk mode to copy it to a USB flash drive or a partition on a USB hard disk.

Then: Install lion without snow leopard!

A guide is available here:
http://www.eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/

I partitioned an SSD on one of our Mac Pros and installed Lion as described. It worked very well.

--
There is no intuitive interface, not even the nipple. It's all learned. - Bruce Ediger


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Mark Dobson
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 3:14:07 pm

Thank's Petros,

I've read the link you provided and it all sounds really simple. I guess the only way to find out is to have a go myself and see what happens.

My experience however is that everything I've bought from the App store automatically starts installing. An icon appears in the dock and the only interaction I've come across is pressing the purchase button.

This is what happened when I installed Lion on our MBP.

But ...maybe I'll find the iNode buried deep in the heat of the MBP.

ta

Mark Dobson
Producer and Director
Alembic TV
http://www.alembic.tv


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Rich Rubasch
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 9:08:21 pm

I actually partitioned a 2 terabyte drive into three equal partitions. One has my current Leopard 10.5.8 install with all our app. The second is a clean Snow Leopard install (so I could get Lion). And the third is the clean Lion install.

The plan is to install FCP (yuck) into Lion along with CS 5.5 and FCS 3 plus a few other goodies.

Then do a file transfer from my Leopard install to the Snow Leopard install. This way my Lion install is all fresh installs and my Snow Leopard is what I fall back on if I run into glitches.

I can boot from any of the partitions by holding down the option key at bootup.

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
http://www.tiltmedia.com


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 7, 2011 at 10:00:11 pm

[Rich Rubasch] "I actually partitioned a 2 terabyte drive into three equal partitions. One has my current Leopard 10.5.8 install with all our app. The second is a clean Snow Leopard install (so I could get Lion). And the third is the clean Lion install."

Very close to the schematic I included in my tutorial on this subject...




David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.


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Mark Dobson
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 8, 2011 at 3:41:56 am

Hi David,

thanks for your tutorial, very clear advice.

Just one query, do you get to choose exactly what is cloned over to the new partition? Or does it just clone the whole drive?

I would have no interest in cloning 4 years worth of tangled data whereas a clean install is something that would be very attractive.

And I'd be really interested to find out your own experience with stability and operational performance with your various combinations.

Mark Dobson
Producer and Director
Alembic TV
http://www.alembic.tv


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 8, 2011 at 5:58:09 am

[Mark Dobson] "Just one query, do you get to choose exactly what is cloned over to the new partition? Or does it just clone the whole drive?"

You can, but it's really better to simply clone it all and do a clean installation on another drive if you want to clean house.

[Mark Dobson] "And I'd be really interested to find out your own experience with stability and operational performance with your various combinations.
"


My main partition that I work from most is Snow Leopard and FCS 3. I've tested Lion and FCS 3 and I've found that it's not a winning combination yet. There are a few things that just don't work right yet. For instance, I tried to roundtrip to from FCP to STP and that option was grayed out under Lion. So, I'm staying with Snow Leopard for the time being, at least until Apple announces a FCS update for Lion.

I'm also running FCP X on a separate partition under Snow Leopard. I have not tried it under Lion yet.


David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
http://www.drwfilms.com

Don't miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
http://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1

POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™


Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.


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Mark Dobson
Re: Fresh FCP X / Lion install on partitioned drive?
on Aug 8, 2011 at 6:12:16 am

Thanks for that David,

Really interesting information.

Sounds like you are keeping FCP X on a back burner at the moment.

I'd be fascinated to find out how many people are actively using FCP X as their core editing tool now.

I figured that the only way to properly assess FCP X was to use it on real commercial projects. It's been a real learning curve and the jury is still out.

Mark Dobson
Producer and Director
Alembic TV
http://www.alembic.tv


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