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Simon Ubsdell
One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 29, 2011 at 8:50:06 pm

... and that's going back to AVID!!!!!

Of necessity I have spent the last week back on Media Composer, the all new 5.5 version, and I am just hating it.

The Smart Tool aside (and that's finally a move in the right direction, for my money), theUI feels amazingly clumsy by comparison with FCP with far more keystrokes and/or mouse action needed no matter how well you customize the keyboard. The fixed two-monitor set-up feels so antiquated and limiting - I really miss having a large Canvas in front of me (personally I am really looking forward to the single "monitor" concept of FCPX from what I've experienced of it in iMovie). Most of all I miss my tabbed sequences for editing between sequences. And don't talk to me about the tiresomeness of audio levelling!!! I could go on but there are loads of features of editing functionality that you're stuck with that just seem quaintly out-of-date and massively irritating.

And frankly it seems very much less stable than FCP running in the same 8 core machine, with continuous erratic and unpredictable behaviour, requiring full system restarts to resolve (though to be fair I didn't have the luxury of doing a clean install this time so it may be down to that.)

I say this as someone who adopted Media Composer very early on indeed and worked continuously with it for a very long time and became exceedingly quick at using it. But now there's no way it's going to be my NLE of choice unless I am really stuck and simply have to use it (as I need to this week and next). Amazingly, Media Composer as a basic editing tool just hasn't advanced that much in the twenty years that it's been around - and over the years it's taken quite a few steps backward in my view.

I very much doubt that FCPX will disappoint enough to make me switch to something else (and in my line of work the only real "choice" is AVID for compatibility reasons) but in the event that it does I will keep plugging away with FCP7 for a good long while yet.

Anybody else feel the same way?

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Tom Daigon
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 29, 2011 at 9:10:45 pm

Ditto!!

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com


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Dave Jenkins
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 29, 2011 at 10:08:51 pm

Thanks, great info on Avid.

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Mike Chedwick
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 9:21:17 am

I use both. FCP has some great things, but so does MC 5.5. But as any serious editor knows...it's not the tool it's the person using it. To just make a blanket statement about never going back or not using a certain editor is quite immature. The same goes for all those chastising FCP X.


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Tom Daigon
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 1:35:14 pm

Sometimes Mike the issue IS the tool. If you have 500 holes to drill in a short period of time and your choice is to use either a hand drill or a power drill, obviously the tool you use is critical to your success.
Now substitute the drill concept with NLEs. One requires you to manually transcode all footage to edit with, and one allows you to power edit immediately with no transcoding at all. Since you are so mature about things, Im sure you can grasp the concept presented here. One system is efficient (Adobe, Avid) and the other is not (FCP 7). I wont waste and time speculating on FCP X until I have it in hand.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:32:36 pm

[Mike Chedwick] "as any serious editor knows...it's not the tool it's the person using it"

Seriously, Mike, there ought to be a fines penalty system in place for anyone who uses this tired and complacent old chestnut of an argument ;-)

I am and always have been prepared to use any "tool" I am obliged to use to get the job done, way back to when I started editing on film and tape before NLE's were even thought of. Inevitably I will continue to work with Media Composer in the future, but as I said it will not be my NLE of choice any time soon.

My guess is that MC is the preferred option for editors who actually like to work at a slow pace rather than push the limits of what is possible in terms of speed of operation - an opinion based on having observed the working practices of many, many professional AVID editors down the years.

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 3:38:24 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "And frankly it seems very much less stable than FCP running in the same 8 core machine"

I won't address the issue of preference, but your stability issue isn't typical. There are plenty of editors with MC and FCP co-installed without any issues. I have had various versions of MC, PPro and FCP installed on the same volume on both Mac Pros and MacBook Pros and never had any major stability issues.

You do have to be careful of staying on compatible QT and OS versions. For instance, 10.6.7 is to be avoided, including for FCP.

Right now, I'm on 10.6.6 with Avid MC5.5, Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 and CS 5.5 (beta) and FCP 7.0.3 - plus various audio and motion graphics apps - and all are equally stable. Do they crash? Yes. But none any worse than the other. In fact, I'd pick MC 5.5 at the most stable in this batch. But YMMV.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Tom Daigon
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 4:50:47 pm

Oliver, what are the issues with 10.6.7 and FCP7? Ive been on it and noticed no problems yet.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 5:20:34 pm

There were driver issues with NVIDIA cards and Matrox MXO2 units, from what I understand.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Tom Daigon
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:01:55 pm

Thanks. I have the ATI Radeon card which explains why I had no problems.

Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor
http://www.hdshotsandcuts.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:32:53 pm

[Tom Daigon] " Thanks. I have the ATI Radeon card which explains why I had no problems."

I don't think MC 5.5 is qualified for 10.6.7 either. I've seen some reports of problems with it even launching as well as Pro Tools problems.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:35:57 pm

[Oliver Peters] " don't think MC 5.5 is qualified for 10.6.7 either"

I am using an ATI Radeon card as well but also not running 10.6.7 either (still on 10.6.6). Thanks for the heads-up on this.

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:19:54 pm

[Oliver Peters] "your stability issue isn't typical"

In fairness, I should say that a) as I mentioned before, I didn't have the opportunity to do a clean install which may have helped possibly, and b) I shouldn't have referred to stability - the issue is not crashing, but rather what I am guessing are memory issues in that a few hours into a session the UI starts behaving erratically and unpredictably, along with "hanging" temporarily.

I should also add that it is significantly slow to save bins (to the point of interrupting the workflow), something that has always been the case with AVID in my experience across a very wide variety of machines and set-ups.

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:37:57 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] " I didn't have the opportunity to do a clean install"

Maybe, although I almost never do a clean install.

[Simon Ubsdell] "but rather what I am guessing are memory issues in that a few hours into a session the UI starts behaving erratically and unpredictably, along with "hanging" temporarily."

I haven't experienced that. Although I have had "bus thread" errors. But the frequency is about the same as FCP7 issues.

[Simon Ubsdell] "I should also add that it is significantly slow to save bins (to the point of interrupting the workflow)"

Hmm. Also not seeing that. It could be almost anything, but what's your machine configuration? Any external hardware? Odd plug-ins?

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 7:41:26 pm

To be honest, I've always found MC to be unacceptably slow in saving whatever the machine but (naively optimistically!) I'd rather expected to find an improvement in this department.

I don't think there's anything wrong with my configuration in this respect - it's just another thing that irks me about the software.

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on Apr 30, 2011 at 8:53:48 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "I've always found MC to be unacceptably slow in saving whatever the machine but (naively optimistically!)"

Well, some NLEs, like the old FAST system (now manifested in a way as Avid Studio) had continuous save. It was in a constant save state, a few milliseconds behind any keystroke or action. In fact, there was no SAVE function - only SAVE AS.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 1, 2011 at 9:21:45 am

[Oliver Peters] "a constant save state"

... which is what we will be having with FCPX, if iMovie is anything to go by. Should be good!

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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Ben Holmes
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 1, 2011 at 8:44:01 pm

I feel exactly the same way -I've never been a regular AVID editor, but work in broadcast inevitably brings it into view and use sometimes. Often I'm picking up slack from a couple of AVID suites on an FCP system (or when the UNITY has gone down for the third time).

I actually find it offensively old to look at, can't stand the jumble of windows (which necessitate the second monitor) and don't see any real improvement (the smart tool is a cludge designed for FCP switchers).

I hope AVID aren't handed a load of new business by the FCP X debacle (the sneak peek has caused more angst than it should have - and seems like a rushed demo forced on Apple as NAB loomed, when surely they wanted a full release in April). Why? Because a company flogging decade old software and overpriced hardware add-ons deserves a bit of a kicking, when instead, they may be handed the pro industry on a plate (at least for the moment).

My hope? FCP X will realise it's potential - not because I'm a fanboy, but because it represents real change and the potential for improvement in a market that is starting to stagnate. Stick with the old if you want - it's never been my style...

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Oliver Peters
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 1, 2011 at 11:56:42 pm

[Ben Holmes] "the sneak peek has caused more angst than it should have - and seems like a rushed demo forced on Apple as NAB loomed, when surely they wanted a full release in April"

The comments from people who saw the Cupertino private presentation in February and this one in April, said it was the same presentation and same version of the build. This means it was likely a demo developed in January, based on a stable software build from December or January. The reason this demo was used was precisely because Apple felt it was polished and they didn't have time to do a new one in the available time after the decision to show up in Las Vegas.

It's highly unlikely that Apple was far enough along to release a working product in April. This is a 1.0 version of a complete rewrite. I'm sure plenty is broken or will simply be left out until next year. Apple always does this with 1.0 versions.

June gives them the last possible month in which they can still claim to hold to Jobs' "spring" date. The reason there's angst is because Apple didn't give the audience the courtesy of providing any info about the professional features that affect their lives. It was purely designed to fuel enthusiasm. In fact, they are probably a bit surprised at the negative speculation it has also created.

- Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com


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Mark Suszko
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 3, 2011 at 3:27:32 pm



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Steve Connor
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 6, 2011 at 2:41:27 pm

I've just spent a couple of days editing using PPro on my Mac - I'd completely forgotten what a Kernal Panic looks like until yesterday!

Fingers crossed that FCPX is at least usable when it launches

Steve Connor
Adrenalin Television

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Simon Ubsdell
Re: One thing I won't be doing if FCPX is a dud ...
on May 7, 2011 at 1:46:04 pm

OK, I'll admit it - there are quite a few things that the new MC does that are genuinely impressive, most especially the multi-format timeline, which I think is very well implemented. And AMA has really revolutionised the whole AVID workflow in ways that make for substantial speed savings for me over the old system. I have also become really attached to the Smart Tool, although it does involve some rather fiddly mouse work that I could do without. Very much a step in the right direction for my money.

On the downside, I have to stick by my position that it is not nearly as stable and reliable as its "trusted professional application" tag would make out. I had a very simple transcoding job to do which turned into a headache of many hours duration, involving a complete system restart after almost every single successfully transcoded clip. This sort of behaviour frankly doesn't surprise me (after many years experience of AVID media management across a huge variety of systems, before anyone starts making helpful suggestions!), but it's a major annoyance to come across it in V5.5!

Simon Ubsdell
Director/Editor/Writer
http://www.tokyo-uk.com


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