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Ed Boasso
FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 2:22:43 pm

I am looking for advise to help me decide on which direction I should go with either FCPX/Motion5 or Adobe Production Premium (PP/AE). I am looking to do lots of green screen work and really want to know if Motion 5's chroma keyer can do as good a job as Premiere Pro or After Effects? I am working from new Macbook Pro. Thanks

EdB


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Phil Hawes
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 2:30:05 pm

If the keying tools are the same in Motion 5 as they are in Motion 4 then After Effects is by far your best choice. It comes with Keylight.
This is a very sophisticated tool for keying and has solved many of my green screen woes.


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Alan Okey
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 3:13:14 pm

Motion 5 has a brand new keyer that's really quite good. I've come to depend on Combustion's Discreet keyer and Diamond keyers as well as DVGarage's Conduit, and I was quite surprised to find that Motion 5's keyer actually gives them a run for their money. If you're not an experienced compositor, it's even more attractive for its ease of use. Best of all, Motion 5 is only $50, so it's worth buying just for the keyer alone. Even if you end up going with AE/Premiere Pro, you're only out $50 for a tool that has many great uses, even if you already own AE. A big downside is that there's no support for proper broadcast monitoring out of Motion 5 and FCP X at this point, and some say that there may never be.


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Phil Hawes
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 3:21:44 pm

I tried to like Motion, but every time I wanted to complete a project in Motion 4 something was missing. In the middle of a composite project for example I might want to color correct one layer but the color correction tool was poor. Or I found that I had to save a lot because Motion was just unstable. Once you learn After Effects you pretty much forget about Motion. The Keylight tool in AE has many options so there are many details to learn but that's a good thing in my opinion.


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Ed Boasso
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 24, 2011 at 4:15:47 pm

Are you mostly comenting from using Motion 4, or both?


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Shawn Miller
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 4:40:48 pm

I don't know the capabilities of Motion and FCPX with regard to keying, but I will say that it's more important to understand the art of keying (at this point). If you're looking to do quick 'one click keys' with pretty good resluts, then just about any tool will do. But if want to do really good keys then you'll need to dive a little deeper into to art of it. Here are some resources I've found useful over the years for understanding composting. Some of these resources are AE centric, but the underlying concepts and techniques should apply to most compositing applications.

http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Compositing-Video-Steve-Wright/dp/B001E050KA/...

http://www.amazon.com/Art-Science-Digital-Compositing-Second/dp/0123706386/...

http://www.amazon.com/Effects-Visual-Compositing-Studio-Techniques/dp/03217...

http://www.amazon.com/DV-Rebels-Guide-All-Digital-Approach/dp/0321413644/re...

http://www.digitaltutors.com/11/training.php?pid=470

Thanks,

Shawn



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Ian Bailey
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 22, 2011 at 9:50:02 pm

Although I've heard good things about the keyer in FCPX and Motion 5, I'm in no doubt that you should be choosing After Effects. As well as a fantastic colour keyer, you also need filters that can separate and manipulate colour channels. These didn't exist in Motion 4 and the word is that Motion 5 hasn't changed in that respect.

I too would highly recommend the Steve Wright, Ron Brinkmann and Mark Christiansen books. This training material is also spectacular:

http://www.hollywoodcamerawork.us/vfx_index.html


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Robert Brown
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 23, 2011 at 12:41:38 am

If you want good results it's a no brainer - CS5.5. I too have tried to like Motion but it's keyer almost never gives the results I want. Keylight that comes in AE is a top notch keyed that also ships with programs like Nuke. Plus you get Photoshop, Illustrator, and Adobe Media Encoder. There is no comparison.



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Leo Hans
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 23, 2011 at 10:47:24 pm

Did you try the new Motion 5 Keyer? It's impressive.

Leo Hans
Editor AVID - Final Cut Pro
http://www.leohans.com


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Ed Boasso
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 24, 2011 at 4:14:01 pm

With Motion 5's keyer, did you find it's features pulled an excellent key, or would you rather use AE's for more refinement?


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Leo Hans
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 24, 2011 at 7:24:09 pm

I made a few tests with RED footage and the results was very good. (The light was perfect and with a very good chroma background at the studio. A woman with swimming suite and blonde long hair moving. The camera speed was at 100fps as I can remember).

Leo Hans
Editor AVID - Final Cut Pro
http://www.leohans.com


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Ed Boasso
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 25, 2011 at 2:04:23 pm

Did you find that you needed to use other software to clean it up, or the keyer can be relied upon for most jobs? For me, it's about not spending more money unnecessarily. Although I am more of a beginner, I want to purchase with an eye to the future on the front end. Thanks for responses.


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Dennis Radeke
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 26, 2011 at 3:07:38 pm

One thing not mentioned in this thread that I think valuable is that Premiere Pro CS5/5.5 has the Ultra keyer which is also quite good. It's not as good as Keylight, but it gives you a lot of control and it's real-time!

Download the trial and give it a go to see if it works for you.

I will also second and third the idea that understanding how to key is very important. I always go back to some tutorials to brush up when I actually need to do something hard with keying.

Dennis - Adobe guy.


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Esteban Gonzalez
Re: FCPX Motion5 compared with Premiere Pro/After Effects
on Jul 29, 2011 at 7:30:27 pm

Yeah, I forget about Ultra being included in CS5 after being on hiatus for CS4. I remember trying to buy Ultra as a stand alone after right after it was bought by Adobe. Was sold out every where. Was impossible to get a hold of. Had it for my PC before it died and I switched over to MAC and loved it.

With that said, I used Motion 4 to do a ton of keying and found it pretty easy as long as things were well lit.


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