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Jeremy Garchow
I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 9, 2019 at 5:49:17 pm
Last Edited By Jeremy Garchow on Jul 9, 2019 at 8:23:31 pm

But Apple SSD prices are down in the new refreshes and across all the Mac lines.

The 4TB upgrade option went from $2800 to $1400 in the top spec MBP.

It's still a lot of money, but it's a lot less of a lot of money.


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Bob Zelin
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 9, 2019 at 10:04:05 pm

but when are you placing your order for the new Mac Pro ? Are you saving up your pennies ?

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
bobzelin@icloud.com


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 9, 2019 at 10:10:45 pm

[Bob Zelin] "Are you saving up your pennies ? "

Only for the Pro Display stand.


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Michael Gissing
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 9, 2019 at 10:35:11 pm

Isn't it just the general trend for price reduction of SSDs? Tech articles from nearly a year ago talked about why SSD prices would reduce dramatically in 2019.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-prices-drop-2019-prediction,37982.htm...


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Tony West
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 10, 2019 at 5:09:48 am

Oh yes, that Pro Display stand is a must ; )

The timing of my Blues winning that Cup couldn't have been better. They knew how much I needed the extra work for that stand. Lets Go Blues!



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Bernard Newnham
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 10, 2019 at 3:00:37 pm

I see a Samsung 4TB SSD is $692 on Amazon

B

Bernie


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John Pale
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 10, 2019 at 11:59:54 pm

That’s for a standard SSD drive running at SATAIII speeds.

Mac laptops use faster storage similar to NVME M2 chips. 4TB of that kind of storage would probably cost more than $1000.


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Bernard Newnham
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 11, 2019 at 7:02:28 pm

Ah, I see. Sort of Lamborghini class memory. I'm sure it must come in very useful.

Bernie


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Tom Sefton
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 11, 2019 at 9:08:48 pm

It’s in most laptops now Bernie, just not in as large sizes or with as good read/write speeds

Co-owner at Pollen Studio
http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk


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Bernard Newnham
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 12, 2019 at 8:17:46 pm

My new laptop has Intel Optane, whatever that is. Sounds good and wasn't expensive.

I've just gutted my main machine and put in a new motherboard, processor and RAM, mainly because the old stuff didn't want to run complex DaVinci Fusion stuff in real time, even with a very reasonable GTX 960Ti. This new kit must go faster, as the motherboard has little blue LEDs all over it, and the memory is called Corsair Vengeance, which has extra metal bits. It also has M2 slots, but whether to populate them I don't know yet.

Bernie


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John Pale
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 12, 2019 at 12:40:25 pm
Last Edited By John Pale on Jul 12, 2019 at 12:51:48 pm

The read/write speeds they have on the specs for this flash storage are about 4 or 5 times the speed of a SSD drive. With the 4TB option, many people could edit solely on the internal storage with no need for an external drive. I don't see any 4TB NVME chips available commercially. I wonder if Apple is using a pair of 2TB chips?


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Brett Sherman
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 14, 2019 at 1:11:28 pm

Intel Optane gets its performance boost from cacheing commonly used files. It's great for office tasks. Buts for video editing it doesn't speed things up since you don't hit the same data over and over again (usually). It's sort of like the Fusion drive for Macs. That didn't do squat for video editing.

From PC Magazine, "If you have the budget for a tricked-out gaming rig or high-end workstation and plan to use them for specialized workflows like 4K video editing, a cutting-edge conventional SSD would be a better choice."


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Bernard Newnham
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 14, 2019 at 4:41:17 pm

Yes. Having done the research now, I know lots more about Optane, M2, and NVMe.

I have another laptop running Linux Lubuntu, and my main desktop, just re-motherboarded, both with standard SSDs as boot drives. I shall probably buy an SSD for the new laptop, and M2 NVMe for the desktop. I don't need to use 4k video - I could run the classes I teach now in SD - but I do want to run fairly complex things in DaVinci.

Also - what the hell - I want to find out how well NVMe works, and a WD Blue NVMe 500GB SSD is only £70.

I seem to have gone off-topic Mac-wise, but then I've done that in real life too.

Bernie


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Rich Rubasch
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 15, 2019 at 1:42:46 am

I have also noticed that SSD 2.5" drives are going for about 1/2 price...not sure what changed but they have come way down....time to look at SSD RAID configs!

Rich Rubasch
Tilt Media Inc.
Video Production, Post, Studio Sound Stage
Founder/President/Editor/Designer/Animator
http://www.tiltmedia.com


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Brett Sherman
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 15, 2019 at 1:11:08 pm

[Rich Rubasch] "I have also noticed that SSD 2.5" drives are going for about 1/2 price...not sure what changed but they have come way down....time to look at SSD RAID configs!"

The pricing has been weird. SSDs have been artificially high for a long time. Some say demand from mobile phones kept the supply of memory short and that people aren't replacing phones as quickly now. But that doesn't explain it all. It has much further to drop.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 15, 2019 at 2:31:27 am

[John Pale] "I don't see any 4TB NVME chips available commercially."

I was given a set of these with 4x2TB chips to do some Red offloads for a recent shoot. Massive speeds. NVMe is pretty wicked:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/TB3EX4M2SL/


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Eric Santiago
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 17, 2019 at 3:08:54 pm

[Jeremy Garchow] "I was given a set of these with 4x2TB chips to do some Red offloads for a recent shoot. Massive speeds. NVMe is pretty wicked"

Jeremy with the RED Mag Reader being USB3, do you really get the advantage with the NVMe?
What interface were you using on both ends?
I have this dilemma with current film shot with Helium, where no matter what USB3 drive, were not getting the speeds we hoped for.


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Tom Sefton
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 17, 2019 at 3:39:27 pm

Eric have you seen the new dual mag reader from sonnet that is thunderbolt 3? I can't import one to the UK as yet, but they look great....

Co-owner at Pollen Studio
http://www.pollenstudio.co.uk


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: I know this may get some heat ...
on Jul 17, 2019 at 4:14:08 pm

[Eric Santiago] "Jeremy with the RED Mag Reader being USB3, do you really get the advantage with the NVMe?"

No question.

I can't remember the exact difference but the 128GB card went from like 45 minutes to 12 minutes, same card reader, all that was different were the drives (HDD drives vs NVMe).

Jeremy


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