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Simon Ubsdell
The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 6:33:23 pm

The original promise of FCP X was great. Here was an approach that offered us a set of interesting new concepts and consequently some different ways of thinking about editing.

I for one never had an argument with that. Anything that helps us broaden our horizons, adopt a different perspective, see things with fresh eyes, is intrinsically heathy.

What has happened over the years however is that an army of FCP X adherents has driven something altogether opposite. (Not all of them - there are honourable exceptions.)

Instead of FCP X being a means of expanding our options, it has actually led many to narrow them down dramatically.

So far from broadening horizons, FCP X editing has become fossilised around a much narrower set of editing concepts.

In the process there has been a concerted campaign to actively invalidate many existing editing strategies that happen not to be catered for by the FCP X model, precisely because they are not catered for by the FCP X model.

If FCP X doesn't facilitate it, then it can't be a strategy worth using.

If an editor advances a stragegy that doesn't fit perfectly with FCP X, his/her opinion must be dismissed as worthless, the more insultingly the better, regardless of pedigree, as happened the other day (shamefully) with Alan Bell.

FCP X must be seen to be the only possible answer to every editing situation and no rival solution can be allowed to offer anything of any value whatsoever.

Every thread on this forum ends with this same deadening message drowning out every other.

Editing is about adaptability and inventiveness. It's about asking why you are doing what you are doing and whether you can come up with a better way. It's about questioning whether the solution you used yesterday can be bettered today, and whether it can be improved upon tomorrow.

But nothing ever needs to be discarded. There is no hierarchy that says a new idea is automatically better than an old one. Everything is possible - all ideas are (potentially) good ideas.

It is about growth, evolution, the endless quest for something that can never be reached. It has no room for certainties.

FCP X has become the opposite of all that.

It has become the thing it always railed against: an obdurate, ossified obstacle to originality.

It has become the enemy of choice.

Instead of ideas, it has given us doctrine. Instead of emancipation, it has given us serfdom.

It is totalitarian and repressive. It has become pernicious. It is not the victim, it is the abuser.

It has also, to my mind, all but killed what was worthwhile in this forum, which at its best has hosted some outstandingly good discussions - conversations that grew out of a shared appreciation of the endlessly fascinating plurality of the world, conversations that are strangled at birth by the tyranny of a single dominant ideology.

Time to join Aindreas. He had the right idea a long time ago.

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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 6:59:50 pm

One of the things that irks me alot in this forum and other FCPX forums - is when people say - X inst designed to work that way ie; your holding it wrong.

I'm positive I use Media Composer and Premiere in ways that weren't part of its initial workflows and technique. Part of that came from experimenting, part I picked up from other users.

I still use stringouts in X, some would call me a heathen - it still works for me and helps me create the way I want to - not the way some dude selling tutorials wants me to because he says thats the fastest way.

I've said it before - I dont want to go faster - Speed is not something I advertise in my skill set although I've proven to be fast enough to compete in broadcast and theatrical marketing which is has blazingly fast turnarounds. I just want to create and be creative and have tools that help me facilitate that - lucky for us - no matter what road you head down, there's plenty of tools available.


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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 7:05:35 pm

p.s. this should be a good one 😜


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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 2:36:35 am

Agree about speed. First, speed is often just because you are used to something, you know the shortcuts, you're comfortable. You don't think two or three editors working on Avids to get "Gravity" finished in time are poking along because "Avid is slow." They are flying and it's not the software slowing them down, it's the experimenting and doing complex things. Two, MANY people like to work in a deliberate manner. Think of a filmmaker like Woody Allen; he cranked out a movie every year, for about 30 years straight. He writes his scripts in longhand on a yellow pad. Because he's thinking it up as he does it. Editing with string-outs and "selects" and alternate sequences ... that is the kind of deliberate thinking that often goes into documentary editing. Sometimes, just fussing around with the material ... moving it, removing it, renaming it, shuffling it ... is how you get to really know the material. You cannot skip that step and push the "fast & good" button and magically the app adds in "reflection" with a dose of "good ideas" and applies a "brilliance" filter! DOING the work is HOW creativity works!

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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 11:12:30 am

“I've said it before - I dont want to go faster - Speed is not something I advertise in my skill set although I've proven to be fast enough to compete in broadcast and theatrical marketing which is has blazingly fast turnarounds. I just want to create and be creative and have tools that help me facilitate that - lucky for us - no matter what road you head down, there's plenty of tools available.”

You are looking at speed in terms of a race. That’s not correct. What speed does is allow time for more creative options to be tried. In the advertising world, I never found NLE’s made the rough cut phase shorter. Agencies still pushed to limit to air-date as they did in the linear days. What the “speedy NLE” did, however was allow us to try more ideas and versions. So they still booked the same amount of “Avid time” as they always had in pre-Avid days but we just got to try more things because of “speed”. In my mind, the inspiration comes out of the work. You don’t sit there with your feet up on the console waiting for the great idea to hit you like a bolt of lightening. You get material on the timeline and start crafting. The more efficiently you can do that, the better. If that’s speed, that’s better.

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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 4:03:28 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "You are looking at speed in terms of a race. That’s not correct. What speed does is allow time for more creative options to be tried. In the advertising world, I never found NLE’s made the rough cut phase shorter. Agencies still pushed to limit to air-date as they did in the linear days. What the “speedy NLE” did, however was allow us to try more ideas and versions. So they still booked the same amount of “Avid time” as they always had in pre-Avid days but we just got to try more things because of “speed”. In my mind, the inspiration comes out of the work. You don’t sit there with your feet up on the console waiting for the great idea to hit you like a bolt of lightening. You get material on the timeline and start crafting. The more efficiently you can do that, the better. If that’s speed, that’s better."

Sure - but a-lot of threads on here are about I can do this operation this much faster with this many less key strokes. That part of "speed" is the one I dont care about. If your bragging about shaving seconds or even milliseconds of an editing operation than our goals as editors are very different.


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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 4:08:37 pm

“If your bragging about shaving seconds or even milliseconds of an editing operation than our goals as editors are very different.”

That speed is good only if the accumulation of time savings allows you to do more creative editorial for your client. My goal is to give my client the best possible product they can get. If the time savings allows me to try a few more options for them, then yes, it is important.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Craig Seeman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 8:21:37 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "Instead of FCP X being a means of expanding our options, it has actually led many to narrow them down dramatically.

So far from broadening horizons, FCP X editing has become fossilised around a much narrower set of editing concepts.

In the process there has been a concerted campaign to actively invalidate many existing editing strategies that happen not to be catered for by the FCP X model, precisely because they are not catered for by the FCP X model.
"


There's a statement about FCPX which doesn't seem to be substantiated and it concludes with a statement which may say more about some users than FCPX itself.

I don't see FCPX fossilized around specific editing concepts anymore so than any other NLE. They each have different foundational principles they build on. The foundation impacts design going forward. That's the case for any NLE.



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Bill Davis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 9:51:28 pm
Last Edited By Bill Davis on May 23, 2018 at 10:17:09 pm

Wow,

From “isn’t important and nobody will EVER use this POS.”

To the “dangerous scourge of all things righteous in editing ...”

Now it’s a “MENACE?” Holy Heck.

In 7 short years. That’s some monster progress right there.

Hint: Last time I looked, nobody here was forcing anyone to use this tool. If you don’t like (or, maybe irrationally fear?) X - Don’t use it.

See how simple that is?

(I wonder if this was somewhat triggered by that modest thread about NBC using X in NY and LA. Are non-X editors scared that it might keep spreading in influence and leave them behind? Relax. It’s not THAT hard to learn should doneone ever decide their attitude toward it might have been a bit - misguided.)

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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 12:10:37 am

Clearly you didn't even read the post.

On top of that - everyone in this forum is an X editor to some degree, so the whole NON X people feeling threatened doesnt work anymore.


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David Mathis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 23, 2018 at 9:53:47 pm

Surely you can't be serious. 🤭


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greg janza
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 12:16:44 am

[Simon Ubsdell] "It has also, to my mind, all but killed what was worthwhile in this forum, which at its best has hosted some outstandingly good discussions - conversations that grew out of a shared appreciation of the endlessly fascinating plurality of the world, conversations that are strangled at birth by the tyranny of a single dominant ideology."

Those that continue to be obsessed with spouting endlessly about the greatness of one NLE over another are losing sight of the forest for the trees. Editing is all about the craft of storytelling and so whatever device allows one to tell a great story is the right device.

I also agree that speed is not the end goal. Putting video pieces together takes time. Not because the equipment used is slow but rather because you need to look through the material over and over and over to get a feel for what it is you want to build. Then you have to revise and revise and revise to make it good. This takes time and it's ok. I don't judge my success on how many pieces I edit in a year. I want the pieces I do cut to be as compelling to a viewer as possible because if they aren't then I haven't done my job very well.

Many editors who don't use FCPX as their main edit tool at least respect that it has a lot of to offer. End of story.

Now back to the real thing that we do as professionals - tell stories. A conversation about how folks approach building story arcs and how they assemble pieces for maximum impact on the viewer is about a thousand times more interesting and relevant to me than which NLE they use to create that story.

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Douglas K. Dempsey
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 2:40:06 am

Agree, Greg. This is what I was trying to say in agreeing with Neil.

Doug D


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Alex Gollner
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 7:26:56 am

I agree with you, Simon.

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Gregor Queck
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 8:36:39 am

What?? You wrote a whole essay about Bill??

😃

. . .


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Gregor Queck
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 11:11:12 am
Last Edited By Gregor Queck on May 24, 2018 at 11:32:49 am

@ SimonU:
What you describe is the pushback to a slamming of FCPX, which was mercyless, ignorant, condescending, without any limit of sane reasoning and
was mostly lacking any own experince and is in some places the current view on FCPX.

This pushback in a way mirrors the hate recived by FCPX.

If you look at the political ‘debate’ these days, it mirrors the debate we see here.
One party tries to misrepresent, damage, silence, deplatform, violently protest and shut down the other party.
Maybe it’s time to give free speech another try and remember:

‘The crucial prerequisite of intelligent disagreement — namely: shut up; listen up; pause and reconsider; and only then speak — is absent.’ . Bret Stephens

. . .


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Dominic Deacon
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 11:58:10 am
Last Edited By Dominic Deacon on May 24, 2018 at 11:58:32 am

I agree with everything Gregor said. The initial outburst against FCX was unreasonable though I was a part of it. At the time I was a kid who had no money but who had invested what was, to me at least, a huge amount of money in FCP because I thought I would build my future business on it. Then Apple threw my investment away a couple months later and replaced it with another program that, at that time, was totally insufficent to my needs. These days I could get by with it but there was no way to know that that would come to pass at the time. I was pissed. I would say both justifiably and irrationally pissed which is a good trick to pull off if you can do it. It turned out a lot of people could do it.

This has resulted in this absurd pushback from the Apple clan where FCX can do no wrong. FCX has no grading tools? Great, our program is unencumbered by specialist addons! FCX gets some basic curves tools etc? Great, just goes to show FCX is up to date with everything all the other programs have! Those new tools are broken? Apple is taking a bold new stance on these tools, reimaging the whole field! Apple fixes the broken tools? Look how quickly they fix their errors!

There is no reasoning with these people. Whatever happens is seen through a special lens that puts Apple always in the best possible light.

But it's just a program and is not any of the things Simon paints it as. Even as a program it lags miles behind Premiere for professional users so any abuse about the direction of the industrry should be squarely laid at Adobes door. It's followers on this forum are some of the most dogmatic people you will meet outside of a scientology convention but they are in no way representative of FCX people generally.

For most it is a tool to get the job done. Just as for me these day Photoshop is the tool that gets the job done. I rely on it and I love it but if you come to me and ask me what should be improved I will have two hundred complaints about how it can be better. That's how a user should be. That's how the huge majority of FCX users are. For some here FCX is something else entirely. But surely that's the fun. If you're going to have a decent debate you need some zealots to fire up the moderates or it gets boring fast.


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Brett Sherman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 12:39:37 pm

[Dominic Deacon] "This has resulted in this absurd pushback from the Apple clan where FCX can do no wrong. FCX has no grading tools? Great, our program is unencumbered by specialist addons! FCX gets some basic curves tools etc? Great, just goes to show FCX is up to date with everything all the other programs have! Those new tools are broken? Apple is taking a bold new stance on these tools, reimaging the whole field! Apple fixes the broken tools? Look how quickly they fix their errors! "

This has become an annoying straw man argument. It's simply not true. You are taking the posts of a single person and expanding it to encompass everyone. That is offensive and dishonest.

I think what happens is when people suggest the lack of one or a few certain features in FCP X invalidates it as a tool, others who use FCP X push back and say, "actually it works pretty well for me regardless of some issues." Let's be honest, FCP X has no more or no less issues than any other editing program. It does certain things well and others not so well. The same is true of Premiere, Avid and any other.

And I think most of us are quite honest about it's deficiencies.

Simon has become increasingly dismissive of FCP X. Fine, whatever. Don't use it. There are those of us who ACTUALLY use it on a daily basis that are plugging away quite proficiently. Do I wish Apple was more energetic about improving X. Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the best tool for my work.

I also think it's ridiculous to be dismissive about speed. But that's a whole different discussion that I'm not going to get into here.


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Steve Connor
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:16:08 pm

[Brett Sherman] "Simon has become increasingly dismissive of FCP X. Fine, whatever. Don't use it. There are those of us who ACTUALLY use it on a daily basis that are plugging away quite proficiently. Do I wish Apple was more energetic about improving X. Absolutely. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the best tool for my work."

Exactly!


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:24:38 pm

[Brett Sherman] "Simon has become increasingly dismissive of FCP X. Fine, whatever. Don't use it."

I'm just going to knock this piece of ad hominem nonsense on the head once and for all and then leave.

I was here enthusing about FCP X before most of you showed up - within days if not hours of the launch to be exact.

I have consistently made sure to state that there are many things I like about FCP X and my most recent comments are no different in that respect.

I do not believe I have ever been dismissive of FCP X nor do I have the intention of ever being dismissive of it now or in the future.

I will continue to use it and enjoy using it for as long as it's still around.

And I will reserve the right to be as critical of it as I would be of any other piece of software.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
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Bill Davis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 6:09:51 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "And I will reserve the right to be as critical of it as I would be of any other piece of software."

I publicly deem it a Menace - but yet I embrace it.

"FCP X - Or Nots... very own Chaos Candidate!

How contemporary.

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The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Brett Sherman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 27, 2018 at 1:41:51 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "
I'm just going to knock this piece of ad hominem nonsense on the head once and for all and then leave. I was here enthusing about FCP X before most of you showed up - within days if not hours of the launch to be exact.


While that may be true. I think that is largely irrelevant.

[Simon Ubsdell] "I do not believe I have ever been dismissive of FCP X nor do I have the intention of ever being dismissive of it now or in the future. I will continue to use it and enjoy using it for as long as it's still around. And I will reserve the right to be as critical of it as I would be of any other piece of software."

No one is saying that there should be no criticism of FCP X. But I think if this is what you're trying to communicate, you need to revisit your tone. You are not coming across that way. Saying you're with Andreas, who( regardless of the entertainment factor) is clearly dismissive of FCP X - well that actually communicates something. And what actual specific criticism is in this post? I don't see any specifics. Look, we've all had our rants. But by and large rants are not positive interactions. And do little to further good discussion.


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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:04:09 pm

[Dominic Deacon] "FCX has no grading tools? Great, our program is unencumbered by specialist addons! FCX gets some basic curves tools etc? Great, just goes to show FCX is up to date with everything all the other programs have! Those new tools are broken? Apple is taking a bold new stance on these tools, reimaging the whole field! Apple fixes the broken tools? Look how quickly they fix their errors! "

this is spot on for at least two of our forum members.

Most people on here can have a subjective conversation about any piece of kit - there are a couple that cannot which makes this "debate" forum rather frustrating at times, and one of these people will downright call you stupid for wanting more out of a piece of software you paid money for. Its crazy.


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Steve Connor
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:12:18 pm

[Neil Goodman] "Most people on here can have a subjective conversation about any piece of kit - there are a couple that cannot which makes this "debate" forum rather frustrating at times, and one of these people will downright call you stupid for wanting more out of a piece of software you paid money for. Its crazy."

It's a simple matter of ignoring them, blocking them or just marvelling at how ridiculous some of the comments are :)


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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 2:13:55 pm

[Steve Connor] "It's a simple matter of ignoring them, blocking them or just marvelling at how ridiculous some of the comments are :)"

For sure but I feel like they have some valuable things to say, if only they could ever see the other side of the coin and get off the defense pedal.


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Brett Sherman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:15:32 pm

That's exactly why he should not use the word "clan". As the meaning of which is everyone who uses FCP X. The discussion on this board has become - "How dare the monolithic mouth-breathing FCP X users claim everyone else is a monolithic mouth-breather."

Honestly, I think that's why most actual FCP X users have abandoned the forum. I don't know why I keep coming back.


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Steve Connor
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:20:06 pm

[Brett Sherman] "Honestly, I think that's why most actual FCP X users have abandoned the forum. I don't know why I keep coming back.
"


Because buried amongst it there is some EXCELLENT debate on here and Simon is one of the best contributors, Tim occasionally pops back which is always worth it and even Jeremy has taken some time away from his valuable contributions on the "other" forum to post here as well.

Perhaps us FCPX users should frequent the FCPX forum more? Remember how great the Final Cut Pro (classic) forum was?


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Brett Sherman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 3:16:13 pm

[Steve Connor] "Because buried amongst it there is some EXCELLENT debate on here and Simon is one of the best contributors"

I agree. Simon is very knowledgable, helpful and usually offers interesting food for thought. But lately he's become more caustic and just making s&*t up out of thin air. Such as - "If an editor advances a stragegy that doesn't fit perfectly with FCP X, his/her opinion must be dismissed as worthless, the more insultingly the better, regardless of pedigree, as happened the other day (shamefully) with Alan Bell."

That just didn't happen. No one insulted Alan Bell. Yes there was some pushback on the ideas, but isn't that what this forum is for?

This thread is pure crap as far as I am concerned.


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Tony West
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 5:00:11 pm

I just feel much like politics, things are being discussed on here in too general of terms.

There are all types of editing environments. Some people are in a news stations, some in their office or home or remote trucks or in the filed or wherever.

Feature film, sports, local news national news, you name it. To think that any one technique is going to work all the time across all these different situations is unrealistic, and anyone that's been working in this field for decades should already know that.

It also gets back to what I was talking about before. Having a conversation with people who are doing the same type of work as you vs. trying to generalize about all kinds of jobs and all kinds of situations across the industry.


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David Mathis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 25, 2018 at 9:01:35 pm

This forum used to be fun. I don't mind a lively debate but we all need to be sensible. Snide and condescending remarks should never be welcome. There are at least two members in this thread that are just that, perhaps three. Any and every NLE on the market is going to have its own set of issues not to mention deficiencies. However, one should never use that as an excuse to belittle others over a difference of a viewpoint or opinion. It is one thing to be critical over a piece of software but quite another to resort to personal attacks or putting others down. This forum is not a political debate group on Facebook rather it is a place where we should all try to be corteous, helpful and professional. It is sad to see a great forum and thread get ruined by a few bad apples.

I like Final Cut and I know it has its problems. I don't use Premiere Pro often for my own reasons but will never put someone down who uses it or call the software trash. It is their deciscion to make and will respect it. They know what works best for them. We all have a choice and we all need to respect others.

Another issue I see is people being belittled because they are not using the most up to date version. They have legitimate reasons in many instances. So they don't upgrade like everyone else. We should reach out to them, find out what their reasons are and give the best advice we can without smacking them in the face. I know of at least two people who does not follow that simple advice.

Please be tactful, diplomatic and friendly regardless of your opinions. I hope that is not too much to ask.


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Joseph W. Bourke
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 5:24:31 pm

Neil -

You have to understand that the people here who are calling others stupid or behind the times have a dog in the race. Anyone who earns money on the back of an NLE (not as an editor, mind you) has something to gain monetarily by getting the most people who need training, or third party stuff, etc. on the FCX bandwagon. You won't find the people who man the Koolaid stand bad-mouthing the Kool-aid...

Joe Bourke
Owner/Creative Director
Bourke Media
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Neil Goodman
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 6:20:10 pm

[Joseph W. Bourke] "Neil -

You have to understand that the people here who are calling others stupid or behind the times have a dog in the race. Anyone who earns money on the back of an NLE (not as an editor, mind you) has something to gain monetarily by getting the most people who need training, or third party stuff, etc. on the FCX bandwagon. You won't find the people who man the Koolaid stand bad-mouthing the Kool-aid..."


For sure, just frustrating when those people chime into an otherwise constructive and informative discussion with their very narrow point of view.


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Steve Connor
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 1:13:09 pm

[Dominic Deacon] "Even as a program it lags miles behind Premiere for professional users "

Remind me again, why do some FCPX users push back so hard on here :)


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Bill Davis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 24, 2018 at 6:06:18 pm

[Dominic Deacon] " But surely that's the fun. If you're going to have a decent debate you need some zealots to fire up the moderates or it gets boring fast."

😀

Creator of XinTwo - http://www.xintwo.com
The shortest path to FCP X mastery.


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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 4:26:56 pm

Hmmm, looks like a couple of folks here might be on the Adobe “dime”? One thread after another on the “mencace” of X....hmmmmm

Just saying (totally kidding of course. Adobe uses third party emissaries to pay...).

;-)

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Oliver Peters
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 5:05:55 pm

[Scott Witthaus] "Just saying (totally kidding of course. Adobe uses third party emissaries to pay...)."

Speaking of insulting.

Oliver

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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 26, 2018 at 5:14:49 pm

I was kidding....geeez....

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
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Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Robin S. Kurz
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on Jun 16, 2018 at 2:06:49 pm

[Dominic Deacon] "There is no reasoning with these people. Whatever happens is seen through a special lens that puts Apple always in the best possible light."

He says, whilst essentially doing the polar opposite. That being the whole point, that it works beautifully BOTH WAYS and somehow it's completely legit when one does it, just not when "those people" do it… as you have demonstrated wonderfully. It's called freudian projection.

Oldie but goodie.


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James Culbertson
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 29, 2018 at 4:57:02 pm

MEGA - Make Editing Great Again!

[Personally, I keep coming back to this forum for the entertainment. ...just when I think threads can't get any more silly, they do.]

Anyway, back to my serfdom.


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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 29, 2018 at 6:12:01 pm

[James Culbertson] ".just when I think threads can't get any more silly, they do"

Exactly!

Did you hear that FCPX is the main cause of global warming?

;-)

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Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 30, 2018 at 12:29:58 am

Simon-

I hope you don’t leave for good. Your contributions to both discussions on this forum, and to the greater FCPX ecosystem are great.

I hope to see you in future threads.


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David Mathis
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on May 30, 2018 at 4:37:49 am

I hope Simon will stay as well. I may not agree completely with his opinions in his original post in this thead but I respect both his opinions and him. A healthy debate is always good. Simon, please continue to contribute here!


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Scott Witthaus
Re: The Real Menace of FCP X
on Jun 1, 2018 at 9:57:24 pm

[David Mathis] "I hope Simon will stay as well. I may not agree completely with his opinions in his original post in this thead but I respect both his opinions and him. A healthy debate is always good."

Agreed. In a healthy debate, thick skin is needed. If one leaves because of criticism, the maybe the skin is not thick enough.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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