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Neil Sadwelkar
Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 5:16:26 pm

Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018

DaVinci Resolve 15 with Fusion built-in. Price same - Free and $300.
Fusion scripting inside Resolve.
New Fairlight audio mixing desks.

Missed the Fairlight features as the YouTube Live stream went silent for that portion

ATEM 4k switcher
Pocket Cinema camera is 4k. Still MFT, big screen. Can record to SD, CFast, and directly to HFS or ExFAT USB-C drives. Direct to drive. A first.
New mini converters including a bi-directional converter.

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Neil Sadwelkar
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Kevin Rag
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 5:59:02 pm

Resolve 15 is super exciting!!!! And can’t wait for the Pocket Cinema Camera 4K:)
It’s good to be in TV:D

K


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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 7:08:58 pm

These announcements are just crazy. I love BMD's vision and commitment to small and independent producers. They really just seem to (honestly) want to empower creative people with powerful and inexpensive tools. I can't wait to dig into the Resolve/Fusion workflow. I was skeptical about the Fusion panel... but the demo makes me feel like they may have gotten the integration piece right. I'm curious to see if BMD's approach will make Fusion more appealing to the average editor.

Shawn



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Kevin Rag
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 7:13:54 pm

Love it! Love it! Been using it for over half an hour now. Really, really good. And it is 3am here in Singapore:)

K


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 7:17:42 pm

[Shawn Miller] "the demo makes me feel like they may have gotten the integration piece right"

I'm on the one hand extremely impressed at how they've integrated Fusion - typical BMD genius at work there.

And on the other hand decidedly unhappy that Fusion as a tool for VFX professionals in its own right might be disappearing.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 7:54:57 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "And on the other hand decidedly unhappy that Fusion as a tool for VFX professionals in its own right might be disappearing."

Good point - I hope that dedicated VFX artists don't abandon the application to avoid the rest of the Resolve package. I like the look of the integrated UI, but as a rule generally prefer standalone software as well. Fingers crossed for something that makes most users happy! Or at least, the ability to run any of the applications in a standalone mode.

Shawn



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Neil Sadwelkar
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 8:11:25 pm

BM's web site still shows Fusion 9 Studio as a product. Priced at $299.

On the Support page Fusion 9.0.2 Studio and Fusion 9.0.2 are still there, so, they don't seem to have discontinued it. Whether it will be upgraded or not remains to be seen.

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Tim Wilson
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 8:34:42 pm

[Neil Sadwelkar] "On the Support page Fusion 9.0.2 Studio and Fusion 9.0.2 are still there, so, they don't seem to have discontinued it. "

If the three products are all tied up in one executable, the assumption is that you should be able to launch into the one you were in last by default. Then if they gave you a choice of splash screens, you'd be able to -- in essence -- launch Resolve, Fusion, OR Fairlight, and ONLY the one of your choice. You could ignore the components you don't use, and functionally launch only "your" application.

Right?


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Tero Ahlfors
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 9, 2018 at 8:52:11 pm

[Tim Wilson] "Right?
"


Not at the moment and probably not in the future. It's Reslightsion not separate pieces. Also the standalone Fusion still feels like a different thing compared to the page version. There's probably not even render farm support for that, though I'll have to check that. I probably wouldn't start building hardcore comps in Resolve, but I probably will use that to do small fx stuff.


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 8:26:05 am

The Fusion community is not happy:

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=71891

https://www.steakunderwater.com/wesuckless/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2035

This comment more or less sums up the general feeling:

In the name of all Saints...please let there be an announcement from BMD that Fusion will continue as a standalone product.
As cool as it is to have it inside Resolve for the occasional quick fix, or to previz stuff for the comp team,
for major VFX work this is just no solution....

Fusion fires up in no time, you add your stuff, build your flow, do your magic. Wham-bam, thank you mam. Next shot.
Having Resolve on every VFX Artists' desk?
Start Resolve, wait half an eternity for that to happen, select the appropriate Project (or create a new one),
add Media, do some editing (place media on timeline), and then go to the Fusion tab?
That's like Flame/Inferno workflow back in the olden days...

Also, from what I see so far, the pipeline stuff I did (and many others did on this forum) for the last couple years
just won't work within Resolve. Meaning it'll bust our entire inhouse pipeline.

Again: Resolve is great. Fusion in Resolve is fantastic.
But having a standalone Fusion for the pure vfx work is an absolute must.


Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 4:43:39 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "
Again: Resolve is great. Fusion in Resolve is fantastic.
But having a standalone Fusion for the pure vfx work is an absolute must."


I agree with this. I had a chance to play with Resolve 15 last night, and I have to say that I'm quite impressed so far. I like the way Fusion has been integrated and I could see myself going to Resolve/Fusion much more often for keying interviews and lighter projects. What I'm much more skeptical about is using the same workflow when heavier composites, VFX and animation are involved... I think I would prefer a dedicated Fusion in those cases.

Shawn



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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 6:40:31 pm

[Shawn Miller] "I think I would prefer a dedicated Fusion in those cases."

Yes, I completely agree, as do most long time users of Fusion.

One rather telling thing is that Primatte is no longer in the toolset apparently because of licensing issues. Is that a clue? I do rather get the feeling that the standalone application is now suddenly history.

One comment I read today on WeSuckLess amused me a lot:

The biggest problem with this development is that BM seriously messed up the way they announced it. Not mentioning classic Fusion at all was a huge mistake. Assuming it will still exist outside Resolve, they should have talked about the number of new users who would see the benefits of Fusion and then want to try the "full" Fusion as well as the advantage to third party developers who would have a larger customer base of Resolve users to sell their add-ons to.

Remind you of anything!?

I have to say I'm surprised at how BMD have handled this. But then major change is always a tricky sell.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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David Mathis
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 7:09:19 pm

It Ppears the stand alone version of Fusion will still exist, at least over the short term. For some reason you cannot have clips stacked on top of each other show up in the Fusion page. Granted, this is a beta version but it looks like a single clip instance scenario for now. I could be missing something or not have a firm understanding of how this works. Will any third part OFX such as Sapphire show up in the Fusion page? This still looks interesting and many questions remain.

As it stands now I really don't see people quitting their CC subscription in mass numbers. Remember this new version is in beta and more work needs to be done. It is a step forward but is it in the right direction?


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 7:53:31 pm

[David Mathis] "For some reason you cannot have clips stacked on top of each other show up in the Fusion page."

That's an easy one.

Stack up as many clips as you want, select them all, right click and choose New Fusion Clip. Select the Fusion page and your stacked clips will appear in a ready made Fusion composition.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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Michael Gissing
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 7:36:29 am

Some solid improvements to the Fairlight page and super excited that Fusion is now integrated as well. There was one little comment that Grant Petty made during the NAB presentation about being able to open old Fusion and Fairlight projects in Resolve. This, plus the new hardware controllers are important steps.

Once again Blackmagic is surging at a pace. I did think this might be the release that brought ProRes encoding to Windows and Linux and maybe at least a mention of ProResRAW intentions.


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David Cherniack
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 12:54:32 pm

[Michael Gissing] " I did think this might be the release that brought ProRes encoding to Windows and Linux and maybe at least a mention of ProResRAW intentions."

Let's not forget that Prores raw is an acquisition codec and BM have their own compressed DNG acquisition codec that's bitwise (14 vs 12) superior to Prores Raw, as does every other high and mid range camera manufacturer. But yeah I see them all supporting it at some point because it'll probably be optimized for FCPX. As far as the new 4k Pocket Cinema camera, probably down the line but their CDNG codec is likely better and more attractive to them because it's free. It'll make it into the BMPCC and Resolve (and PrPro) when the cameras start supporting it and if it's performance as an editing codec is demonstrated on non-Apple boxes to be very good.

David
http://AllinOneFilms.com


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Ricardo Marty
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 3:39:26 pm

Apparently there will be two flavors of fusion, I got this from the bm forum.

When I asked whether Fusion was end of life as a standalone product, Blackmagic USA President Dan May clarified. Resolve 15 will not include the entire feature set of Fusion. Rather, as Dan put it, Fusion will contain a superset of Resolve 15 Fusion functionality. Fusion, then, will continue as a standalone product both in its paid and free versions. Note, though, that beginning with Resolve 15, a Fusion dongle will also unlock Blackmagic Studio giving those users who purchased Fusion an extra Resolve seat.


So, I'm happy. 😉

Ricardo cardona


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Ricardo Marty
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 4:21:54 pm

Resolve 15 fusion will be for motion graphics and some visual effects/

Ricardo Marty


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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 4:33:02 pm

[Ricardo Marty] "When I asked whether Fusion was end of life as a standalone product, Blackmagic USA President Dan May clarified. Resolve 15 will not include the entire feature set of Fusion. Rather, as Dan put it, Fusion will contain a superset of Resolve 15 Fusion functionality. Fusion, then, will continue as a standalone product both in its paid and free versions. Note, though, that beginning with Resolve 15, a Fusion dongle will also unlock Blackmagic Studio giving those users who purchased Fusion an extra Resolve seat."

That is good news then, thanks for sharing.

Shawn



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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 7:37:15 pm
Last Edited By Shawn Miller on Apr 10, 2018 at 7:58:19 pm

[Simon Ubsdell] "One rather telling thing is that Primatte is no longer in the toolset apparently because of licensing issues. Is that a clue? I do rather get the feeling that the standalone application is now suddenly history."

Well... that is troubling! Note to self, "do not lose Fusion dongle".

[Simon Ubsdell] "The biggest problem with this development is that BM seriously messed up the way they announced it. Not mentioning classic Fusion at all was a huge mistake. Assuming it will still exist outside Resolve, they should have talked about the number of new users who would see the benefits of Fusion and then want to try the "full" Fusion as well as the advantage to third party developers who would have a larger customer base of Resolve users to sell their add-ons to."

That does give me a slight sinking feeling. ☺ OTOH, BMD does listen... you might have to scream at them for a year or two, but they do listen. ☺ I just hope we're not walking into an Apple/Autodesk style public execution of a powerful node based compositing application. I don't think BMD will do that... but stranger things have happened.

[Simon Ubsdell] "I have to say I'm surprised at how BMD have handled this. But then major change is always a tricky sell."

True enough!

Shawn



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Ricardo Marty
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 4:25:13 pm

Im just guessing. If BM purchased ultimatte why would they par for primatte? Im sure they will pot up to speed, mabye another tab in resolve, someday.

Ricardo Marty


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 5:19:02 pm

[Ricardo Marty] "If BM purchased ultimatte why would they par for primatte?"

The reason for the Ultimatte purchase was to sell a realtime studio hardware solution (and make some actual money for once!), not for building into Fusion.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/ultimatte

The reason they introduced the new Delta Keyer in Fusion 9 could well be because they were anticipating dropping the licensing for Primatte.

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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Ricardo Marty
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 5:31:59 pm

You could be right but an app ultimatte would not necessarily kill a hardware ultimatte. two distinct markets.
Its like fairlight app version and a full console version and davinci with panels.
But ive always mostly been wrong

Ricardo Marty


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Simon Ubsdell
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 11, 2018 at 5:43:28 pm

[Ricardo Marty] "You could be right but an app ultimatte would not necessarily kill a hardware ultimatte."

Yes, there's no obvious reason not to have Ultimatte as a tool inside Fusion (as well as the completely unrelated hardware offering) but for some reason they decided to build the the brand new Delta Keyer instead - right at the point where it seemed likely they would use Ultimatte instead.

It's a puzzle as to why they chose that option but choose it they did.

Maybe we'll see Ultimatte added to the Fusion mix at some point though - with BMD anything is possible!

Simon Ubsdell
tokyo productions
hawaiki


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Tangier Clarke
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 4:50:25 pm

I really loved the specs for the pocket cinema camera 4K, except for one thing. I searched high and low online hoping to find that the screen came out and articulated/rotated like on the GH5. May sound crazy but it's a huge help having something like that when trying to get certain angled shots while maintaining a visual of the screen.


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Shawn Miller
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 5:21:29 pm

[Tangier Clarke] "I really loved the specs for the pocket cinema camera 4K, except for one thing. I searched high and low online hoping to find that the screen came out and articulated/rotated like on the GH5. May sound crazy but it's a huge help having something like that when trying to get certain angled shots while maintaining a visual of the screen."

I think they want you to buy the Blackmagic Video Assist... which, for $495 USD still brings the package in around $2,000 (including taxes). Not bad for a 10/12bit camera + recorder/monitor.

Shawn



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Gerry Fraiberg
Re: Blackmagic announcements NAB 2018
on Apr 10, 2018 at 6:58:28 pm

The screen is fixed on the Pocket Cinema 4K camera. It does not articulate nor does it swing out.

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