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Neil Sadwelkar
Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 16, 2018 at 5:03:06 am

I checked the 'Adobe Creative Cloud debate' forum here at the Cow. And the last post there was Oct 2017. In the entire 2017, there were 3 posts at that forum. As many as this forum sees in an hour on a good day.

Not sure if this is because the debate over Adobe CC is dead, or because the debaters are mostly here on the FCP X debate forum.

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Scott Witthaus
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 16, 2018 at 11:35:14 am

[Neil Sadwelkar] "Not sure if this is because the debate over Adobe CC is dead, or because the debaters are mostly here on the FCP X debate forum.
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It's dead because there is nothing to debate. The subscription genie is out of the bottle and will only grow larger/more expensive as time goes on.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Jason Watson
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 16, 2018 at 1:20:39 pm

I think the debate is largely dead. It's been almost five years since Adobe went CC only, and judging by how well it's worked out for Adobe, they aren't going back.


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Gabe Strong
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 16, 2018 at 5:33:19 pm
Last Edited By Gabe Strong on Jan 16, 2018 at 5:39:20 pm

It's been six years since Apple moved to FCP X. Judging by how many 'seats' of
FCP X they have sold, I'm pretty sure Apple is not going back either.

Gabe Strong
G-Force Productions
http://www.gforcevideo.com


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Gabe Strong
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 16, 2018 at 5:34:23 pm

It's been six years since Apple moved to FCP X. Judging by how many 'seats' of
FCP X they have sold, I'm pretty sure Apple is not going back either.

Gabe Strong
G-Force Productions
http://www.gforcevideo.com


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Scott Witthaus
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 16, 2018 at 8:04:17 pm

What is the Experience Cloud? Sounds like my college days in the 70's....

Scott Witthaus
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Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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greg janza
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 17, 2018 at 1:44:31 am

2018 would a good time to phase out all of the "debate" aspects of Adobe Cloud as well as FCPX vs. Premiere.

Each option has now firmly entrenched itself into the production world and if this forum is any gauge, most folks seem quite content with the choices made.

I Hate Television. I Hate It As Much As Peanuts. But I Can’t Stop Eating Peanuts.
- Orson Welles


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Scott Witthaus
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 17, 2018 at 2:08:18 pm

[greg janza] "2018 would a good time to phase out all of the "debate" aspects of Adobe Cloud as well as FCPX vs. Premiere.

Each option has now firmly entrenched itself into the production world and if this forum is any gauge, most folks seem quite content with the choices made."


Well stated. Agree 100%.

Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Visual Storyteller
https://vimeo.com/channels/1322525
Managing Partner, Low Country Creative LLC
Professor, VCU Brandcenter


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Kevin Rag
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 18, 2018 at 1:14:44 am

Well said Greg. Can’t agree enough:)

K


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Bob Woodhead
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 20, 2018 at 7:21:03 pm

I'd like to debate that.


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Andrew Kimery
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 21, 2018 at 11:42:50 pm

The CC debate was about business models and the business models haven't changed so there's literally nothing new to talk about. Compare that to the debate in here, which is about software, and there have been lots of software changes since 2011.

For example, prior to the 10.4 announcement there was a big debate here about color wheels vs color board and the pro-boarders said that wheels weren't need (and according to some wheels would actually be detrimental to the FCP X user experience). Then Apple adds wheels and there was another huge debate about whether or not part of Apple's implementation of wheels was a bug or a 'reimagining' of how a color tool should work in that regard.

In another example, Adobe and Blackmagic have both added features that are similar to FCP X's Keyword Collections and Smart Collections. Are they 'good enough' facsimiles to keep PPro and Resolves users satisfied, or will the more robust implementation in FCP X be something that draw in converts?

As I've mentioned in previous threads, Apple chose a different philosophical route when making FCP X compared to PPro, Avid, Resolve, etc., so having a 'FCP X compared to the rest' debate area is, IMO, both still relevant and appropriate.


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Michael Gissing
Re: Yes- just follow the money
on Jan 22, 2018 at 12:56:02 am

Love it. We are debating the need to debate. Seems like this forum is as relevant as when the debate started all those years ago. It's opt in of course so if you think the debate is over then why are you here debating?


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Steve Connor
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 29, 2018 at 8:36:52 am

Well Magix have just added a subscription model for Vegas that no-one will complain about

https://www.redsharknews.com/post/item/5237-magix-introduces-new-vegas-pro-...

"Traditional NLEs have timelines. FCPX has storylines" W.Soyka


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David Mathis
Re: Is the Adobe Creative Cloud debate dead?
on Jan 29, 2018 at 4:32:03 pm

I refuse to get on a turnpike with no off ramp. I am already starting to complain. Resolve is a one time fee with a free upgrade cycle. So far, Apple is going the same direction. Why would anyone want to rent bugs? 😉😂


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