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Daniel Kenyon
7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 29, 2011 at 11:11:54 am

Hi

So i'm a bit fed up with having to pinch cameras from work or borrow them from uni so i'm looking into buying a camera of my very own. I've spoken to several friends about which of the 2 Canon cameras to opt for but it seems that they all suggest the one which they already own themselves, understandably so.

The budget i'd be looking at would be more geared towards the 7D, which I believe to be a great bit of kit, but i've a couple of questions.

1) Is the 5D worth the extra £1,000+ or will I gain professional video results with the 7D?
2) Does the full frame sensor of the 5D really make that much difference?
3) With the right lens does the body become a little less important? therefore making the 7D a sensible choice

I'd greatly appreciate any advice and opinions off people as this seems to be the place to find well informed information.

Thanks a lot

Daniel


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Craig Cooper
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 29, 2011 at 3:09:50 pm

1st of all do you have any lenses? EFS lenses work with the cropped bodies and EF lenses with full frame. I use 60D (also 1.6x) which is 95% close to a 7D.

Go here to compare side by side.

http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras

Craig


Cheers Craig

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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 29, 2011 at 10:15:25 pm

Hi

No I don't have any lenses at present, does this affect your opinion?

ps thanks for the comparison link

Dan


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Craig Cooper
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 30, 2011 at 7:41:08 am

If you are starting out then go Full frame if you can. I started out before full frame was available and have a few EFS lenses and it's to expensive for me to go full frame. I'm happy though with 60D 18MP in face I bought another one so i don't have to keep changing lenses. Did you checkout The 7D and 60D comparison on the link? Well checkout 5D MK2 It will always be on wishlist.


Cheers Craig

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Fred Dorsett
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 30, 2011 at 3:04:12 pm

Daniel,

The difference in price that you quote in your post regarding the
5D Mk2 and the 7D is incorrect.
The UK 'street' price for a 5D2 is currently around £1750 and the 7D is around £1250. A difference of around £500 NOT the £1000+ that you suggest.

As to 'which is best' (cost aside), I think that this would be governed by your required use of the camera.

If it is to be used mostly for video work, then I think it would depend on the final output format that you need.
Do you require video files for the production of Cinema release film prints or just output for HDTV and the Web. If it is the later then I would suggest that you go for the 7D and spend any money left over on GOOD glass.

Regards,

Fred Dorsett
(Stop Mo, 2D and 3d Animation production (using both the 5D2 and 7D)


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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Jul 30, 2011 at 4:27:18 pm

Craig - Yes I compared the 60D, 7D and 5D and there doesn't seem to be that much difference between them all, mainly the sensor size. I'm not 'starting out' as such, but i've only used dedicated video cameras rather than DSLRs before so it's a new world for me.

Fred - My use would be generally short films / music videos intended for the web and DVD, which would suggest that the 7D is the way to go. However if there's a chance of a cinema release then i'll be more than willing to sell my own mother in order to raise funds for a 5D!!!!


Thanks a lot for both your replies, it's appreciated a lot

Daniel


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Bob Cole
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 3, 2011 at 2:54:38 pm

Daniel, I'm wrestling with the same question. There are a number of issues, including speed, cost, etc. Some of the differences are almost impossible to measure, except by your purely visual "feeling." I have heard one experienced DSLR shooter say the D5 image is just "meatier" and "stronger."

For me, the main issue is shallow depth of focus. The full-frame sensor allows shallower DOF, with the proper (low f/stop) lens. OTOH, it would be silly to pay extra for the 5D if it means you won't then have $ for fast lenses.

Using some online calculators, with a distance setting of 5', with focal lengths yielding similar fields of view (55mm on the 5D is similar to 35mm on the 7D), here are some numbers:

5D with 55mm lens @ f/2: 0.29' DOF
7D with 35mm lens @ f/1.2: 0.27' DOF
7D with 35mm lens @ f/2: 0.46' DOF

Check out http://www.dofmaster.com and http://www.digified.net/focallength/ if you want to check out other focal lengths and apertures.

My question for the group is: without using ND filters, how easy is it to shoot on either the 5D or 7D at maximum aperture, in bright sunlight?

Bob C


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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 4, 2011 at 3:11:59 pm

Thanks for that Bob

I keep on deciding to just go and buy a 7D but then think 'but that extra £500 would be worth it', and then think 'but I haven't got that extra £500', it's certainly a conundrum!

I've just acquired some proper old vintage lenses though and was wondering what people think of them, they cost me £30 for the lot (off my girlfriend's mum).

- Yashica ML Zoom 42-75mm 1:3.5-4.5
- Super Paragon PMC Auto Zoom 28-50mm 1:3.5-4.5
- Yashica DSB 50mm 1:1.9
- Super Paragon PMC Auto Zoom 80-200mm 1:3.8

I'd have to get an adaptor but what kind of performance would I expect to get with either of the Canons?
I've had a play with the cameras that they came with (Yashica FX-2 and Yashica 107 MultiProgram) and they appear to be pretty sharp (especially the 200m and 28-50mm).

Could I instantly be saving myself money or am I being a bit too hopeful?


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Dean Brennan
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 5, 2011 at 2:53:18 pm

If you are considering the 7D I would go back and look at the 60D again. I have both cameras and I can tell you 95% of the time I take the 60D over the 7D. The flip out screen is a life saver. Really the only thing the 7D offers over the 60D when it comes to VIDEO Production is the 7D has a better constructed body and is more weather proof. I would buy the 60D, save a few dollars, and spend the rest on good glass.

Dean C. Brennan
Digital Video Specialist


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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 5, 2011 at 3:08:35 pm

Thanks Dean

I keep going back and forth over what to spend my money on, read reviews and watched videos, most of the fingers seem to point at the 7D. I just don't want to find myself at the point in a year or so where I start to think i've made the wrong choice with a 60D (something which i've read others thinking). They just don't seem as indestructible or 'pro', and although i'm not a pro as yet i'm looking at it being an investment over the long-ish term.

The articulated screen is a great feature though, I must admit that it's the feature which has me going back to look at the 60D again!


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Dean Brennan
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12:37 pm

Yea, I see where you are coming from. Buyers remorse is a terrible thing. Although, I don't think you would be disappointed with the 60D as I have used it for many professional productions. Unless, of course you always shoot in environments with lots of water, sand & dust...You will also save around $700 you can put towards some good glass.

I forgot to mention you have manual audio control on the 60D as well. This has been extremely beneficial and another perk over the 7D.

Good luck choosing. Let us know what you end up purchasing and how you like it.

Dean C. Brennan
Digital Video Specialist


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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 5, 2011 at 5:45:52 pm

I will do, thanks for your advice Dean, it's much appreciated.

Daniel


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Daniel Kenyon
Re: 7D or 5D? THAT is the question....
on Aug 11, 2011 at 4:08:13 pm

Well after taking much advice from people on forums and the guy in the camera shop I finally went for the Canon 60D. I just thought in the end that for my purposes it made sense to save a few pennies and get that articulated screen too, I think it's going to be a lifesaver!

I got the camera, a nice Tamron 17-50mm 2.8 VC lens, Manfrotto tripod and head, Lowepro bag, 32gb of storage and a spare battery for £1,460. The 7D body alone was £1,250 so I reckon i've made the right choice. I'm really chuffed with it.

Add to that the 50mm prime, 28-50mm, 42-75mm and 80-200mm Yashica lenses I just bought for £30 (with classic Yashica FX-2 camera) i'm pretty well placed to get some nice footage.


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