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Danny Baron
How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 20, 2014 at 7:24:44 am

So it happens my leading actor is available tomorrow morning. I have to make a couple loop lines with beeps and I have no idea how. I have AVID Media Composer. And Final Cut. I do not have Logic or Pro Tools.

Thanks

Danny


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Peter Groom
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 20, 2014 at 1:02:18 pm

Ok.
You create 3 short blips of tone and space them evenly (exactly) i go for 20 frame gaps.
Then you position this on a track and position its end where the 4th beep would have been at the precise moment that your scratch or guide track starts so the seq looks like
beep............beep...........beep.............dial
The it rather depends on the software you are using as to if it has a loop record function. Pro tools does but you dont have that.

In the session merely play the loop so the actor feels the timing and re speaks the dial in sync with himself, but incorporating whatever the change needs to be -e more angry, frustrated, happier etc etc
Record just the mic, nothing else.
I always match the shoot mics in the studio so perhaps a sennheiser 416 and a cos 11 lav if that wasused on set. Record these as separates not mixed. That helps a LOT in getting it un distinguishable in the mix.

You'll neeed to play the cue audio into his cans quietly so the beeps dont bleed onto the mic.

Do the line in bitesize chunks and only move on when you have sync perfect of the new recording. You can always position more beeps mid loop if there is a tricky timing gap etc.

Hope that helps.
Peter

Post Production Dubbing Mixer


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Bill Davis
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 21, 2014 at 9:00:36 pm

You said Final Cut but did not specify Legacy or X.

If you have X, there's a built in Voiceover tool that does this type of ADR process automatically, including the countdown and punch in. If you need to do multiple takes, it can stack them, or record your takes into an Audition clip.

It's custom designed to do exactly this function out of the box.

FWIW.

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Peter Groom
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 21, 2014 at 9:22:16 pm

I didnt specify, largely as Ive heard nothing of X from any pro circles in many months so have discounted it from any pro studio opearation.
Might be wrong but thats my take.
Actually, my real take is that ADR is an audio only skill that isnt for NLEs at all - just like i dont expect a colour correction wheel to pop up in Pro Tools anytime soon.......ever.
Peter

Post Production Dubbing Mixer


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Bill Davis
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 26, 2014 at 6:08:01 am

Peter,

I totally get that.

I keep saying this but only because I really think it's seriously true - X is making HUGE inroads in terms of acceptance around the rest of the world but the US is late to the game and dragging our heels.

Large broadcast organizations in Europe, (like the BBC) and iT4 are adopting it en masse and I regularly correspond with editors in high end seats from around Europe and Asia who love it.

As to the ADR thing, like many "specialist" endeavors, what once was the province of specialists becoming more and more mainstream.

ADR in the sense of true automated dialog replacement - is still, I believe, best left in the hands of experienced pros. It's an exacting and specific skill set to make new recordings match on-screen action.

But I suspect the non-specific way most people use the term "ADR" these days, its as likely to refer to simply cutting in a change on a narration as the real lip sync stuff of movies.

Whichever approach you define for your work, it's inescapable that they built a robust ADR system directly into FCP X and so everyone with the $300 program running on their laptop can do automated ADR with ease. That and the fact that FCP X comes with a large suite of very high quality audio tools taken directly from the Logic code and a lot of us are finding that we can do real, high quality audio work without going outside X just as long as we keep our expectations in check. (It's clearly not a total multi-track sound production tool and likely never will be!)

Just FWIW.

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Peter Groom
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Oct 26, 2014 at 11:25:01 am

HI Bill
Can FCPX export audio as an AAF or OMF2 file to go into a sound dub yet?
Peter

Post Production Dubbing Mixer


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Bill Davis
Re: How to Make Loop for ADR
on Nov 11, 2014 at 12:52:24 am

Peter,

Sorry for the delay in response. Busy season. As to X feeding a post sound workflow, I know for a fact that X doesn't speak OMF in any form. Don't know about AAF either. But I spent a couple of days last month driving around CA with Mike Matzdorff, the First AD for Focus, the new Will Smith movie that used X - and he reported no issues getting sound done. So there is a path that works for sure. X has a very robust system for generating stems in its innovative Roles system. And the internal sound handling based on Apples high precision Core Audio engine and it's internal Logic based Plug Ins let an editor work with very high quality sources in the program, but I don't know whether the feature folk, and the high end commercial folk using X export to ProTools or have a different workflow. I do know that that the X sound workflow is leading to some very creative approaches. The recent "two sided" interactive Honda ad cut in X kinda shocked a lot of the video guys who weren't accustomed to how X works. Here's a picture of the timeline.



That's all Audio above AND below the video. All assigned not by track position - but by Roles.

It makes a lot of sense because the user can instantly switch between night and day video AND audio mixes within the same story. To check it out search Honda The Other Side on YouTube. (best on a desktop, the Mobile version doesn't do the cool R-key trick.)
Enjoy.

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