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Bill Kerrigan
I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 11, 2014 at 2:42:12 pm

I'm a DP and this is my 1st audio post.

When recording an interview, I've been using a shotgun (416) on one track and a super cardioid on the other track. I've found the end result gives a higher quality recording, rather than using a lav on one of the tracks.

I was wondering if any sound professionals do the same?


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Eric Toline
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 11, 2014 at 4:29:03 pm

Most often the client will request a boom & lav split track and then screw it up in post by mixing both together.

Eric

"I push the RECORD button and hope for the best"


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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 11, 2014 at 9:05:17 pm

Hello Bill and welcome to the Cow Audio Forum.

Both of these mics on the same person?

Location will make a big difference. Talk to me about that.

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Ty Ford

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Bill Kerrigan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 1:39:54 am

Hi Ty,
Yes, one person...

I began using this system years ago, when I filmed approximately 350 musicians, for a series of docs on the history of Canadian music.

At the beginning of the shoot, we were traveling with a soundman who was using both a 416 and lav... After a few weeks, because the budget was tight... the producer asked me to both shoot and record sound.

We had a small window with each musician, there wasn't time to wiring and hiding the lav... and adjust lights. Besides, the interviewees were often wearing clothing which made noise when they moved.

I experimented using both a cardioid and shotgun on the same boom... when I spoke with the editor after the shoot, he told me he liked the quality of the mix of these two mics.

But when the environment was noisy or live, I replace the shotgun with one of my a Trams, Sankens, Sony 77s or Rodes pin mic.

Best,
Bill


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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 2:43:21 am

Bill,

How do you boom them from the same boom? Stereo Bar?

I've "dirtied up" a boom with a little omni lav from time to time to make transitions in post work better.

Not the same exactly, but combining sounds.

Well, if that's what gets your motor running, OK.

Is it a 50/50 mix or something else?

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Ty Ford
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Bill Kerrigan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 2:22:58 pm

Hi Ty,

I've been using a collect of devices to mount the mics on the same boom.
I was planning to build a bar which would allow the tips of the mics to be on the same plane.
Does something like this already exist?

The balance of the mix is up to the editor... or they can just use the best sound.

I have the skills and bits and pieces to hid a Sanken or Tram, but when I'm filming CEOs, celebrities or stars on a film set... the interviewees want to get in and out and have very little patients for adjustments.
And at the end of most shoots, I find I prefer the sound of the overhead... so my thinking why not use the second track for an alternative overhead sound.

Thanks for your help,
Bill


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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 3:59:30 pm

Bill, there are mic bars like the Schoeps UMS 20

http://tinyurl.com/mcnmbpn

Not exactly sure how you'd mount that on your boom, but it does mount on a standard mic stand.

You can adjust the angles of each clip.

They have no suspension mount, so handling may be an issue.

Regards,

Ty Ford
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Bill Kerrigan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 4:04:34 pm

Thanks Ty...
I plan to build a rig in the next few weeks, I'll post a photo when it's compleated.

Cheers,
Bill
http://www.kerrigan.ca


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Bill Kerrigan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 4:38:10 pm

I just realized the capsule on the shotgun is behind the interference tube, so should I take that into account?


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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 7:00:01 pm

If you want the two capsules to be phase coherent, yes.

Otherwise you get some nasty phase cancellation.

You'll need to check to see if the capsules of each mic are wired with matching polarity as well.

Regards,

Ty Ford
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Bill Kerrigan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 12, 2014 at 9:29:30 pm

Thank for the help Ty.

Cheers,
Bill


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Craig Alan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 18, 2014 at 5:35:50 am

will this do the trick?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/758976-REG/Rycote_037323_037323_Micro...

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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 18, 2014 at 12:42:40 pm

It doesn't have any suspension mounting for the mics, so you'd have a lot of handling noise. If you had these http://tinyurl.com/p3flztr and connected them to the bar, you'd be much better off. But these are for shorter SD mics. If you were using shotgun mics these don't provide enough support.

And what will you do when you have wind problems? How to you accommodate two blimps? The rig will really get heavy then.

Maybe some sort of dual suspension mount that will fit inside a zeppelin…….

I don't know if anything exists to do exactly what you want to do. Why don't you try to contact Rycote directly to see what they can come up with?

http://www.rycote.com/products/

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Ty Ford
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Craig Alan
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 19, 2014 at 6:19:04 am

[Ty Ford] "If you had these http://tinyurl.com/p3flztr and connected them to the bar, you'd be much better off."

Ty, the link just opens BHphoto, no specific product.

Mac Pro, macbook pro, Imacs (i7); Canon 5D Mark III/70D, Panasonic AG-HPX170/AG-HPX250P, Canon HV40, Sony Z7U/VX2000/PD170; FCP 6 certified; FCP X write professionally for a variety of media; teach video production in L.A.


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Ty Ford
Re: I don't use a lav for sitdown interviews
on Aug 19, 2014 at 9:18:13 am

I hate the internet sometimes.

http://tinyurl.com/ogpylwj

Regards,

Ty Ford
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