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Ari Mannis
Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 18, 2014 at 9:13:39 pm

Hi,

I use a got a Tascam Dr-60 and I use two identical microphones record them with mono mix, its a interview style podcast. Monitoring during the recording the voices sound great but for whatever reason one input sounds different from the other, it sounds tinny...

Here is a link to an example of how one input sounds weird...
https://soundcloud.com/ari-mannis/tascam-0009


Any idea on what I am doing wrong?

Thanks


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 19, 2014 at 3:14:18 am
Last Edited By Brian Reynolds on May 19, 2014 at 3:22:37 am

What sort of mics?
Positioned how far from the people speaking?
Did you listen to each microphone as a single mic or were you listening to the mix of both mics?
Did you mix to mono on site or recorded them as separate tracks and then mono'd them in post prod?
Have you ever tested your mic cable wiring are they correct ie; pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, and pin 3 to pin 3?
Are they pro made cables or DIY cables?

Any or some of these could be the problem......

My gut feeling is it a 180deg phase problem, if you still have the recording as 2 separate tracks phase reverse just one track (either one ... ) then try to mono mix it and see if that makes a difference.


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 19, 2014 at 4:17:49 am

What sort of mics?
SM 58

Positioned how far from the people speaking?
They talk right into it.

Did you listen to each microphone as a single mic or were you listening to the mix of both mics?
Mix of both mics.

Did you mix to mono on site or recorded them as separate tracks and then mono'd them in post prod?
On site.

Have you ever tested your mic cable wiring are they correct ie; pin 1 to pin 1, pin 2 to pin 2, and pin 3 to pin 3?
They are three pin xlr cables they are plugged in correctly.

Are they pro made cables or DIY cables?
Pro made and tested.

Also when monitoring the audio it sounded fine.. just in playback on the computer one sounds tinny for some reason.

My gut feeling is it a 180deg phase problem, if you still have the recording as 2 separate tracks phase reverse just one track (either one ... ) then try to mono mix it and see if that makes a difference.

I just recorded to one track I believe.... maybe il figure out how to do two from now on... what is phase 180?

Thanks for your help hopefully these answers help you to determine what is wrong.


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 19, 2014 at 9:17:11 am

There is a phase switch at the point just after "in the morning for us" has it gone through any sort of editing?
Something changed..... even the dialogue doesn't flow


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Al Bergstein
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 19, 2014 at 12:16:04 pm
Last Edited By Al Bergstein on May 19, 2014 at 12:17:46 pm

So my best guess is that the DR60 has the feature that you can have one track record at -10db or more . It's called "Dual Mono Mode". When in dual mono mode, (page 52 of the manual), you can set the Dual level so that the second track records at some amount less than the first track, so you can avoid levels that may peak during the recording. If one channel of dual mono is fine (the louder track) then throw out the second channel and copy the first one on your timeline. Now you have dual mono that match. If you needed the second channel (I'm not sure how you would since it's recording the same thing to both channels) then put that on the timeline, normalize the volume in your software and you should be good to go.

The manual contains pretty clear descriptions of the various recording modes. If you were really trying to create a stereo pair, with two different mics recording two different things, then you would likely have chosen the mono setting and simply recorded separate mono channels.

Hope this helps!

Al


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 19, 2014 at 7:15:44 pm

It has gone through editing just to show you the two different voices... i have ran no phase thing unless it I a setting on the device that I don't know about... any thoughts?


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 12:37:18 am

So the first part of the track was done with 2 mics or just one mic plugged in?
The second part was done with 2 mics or one mic plugged in?

I get the feeling that there is something your not telling us....


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 12:39:57 am

Im pretty sure im telling everything, there is only one track... with both mics plugged in... im literally plugging two identical mics into the DR-60 and pressing record... I have done zero effects in post production and one the mics sounds tinny...


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 12:45:42 am

Yes I'm aware that it's ending up as one track. But when the first section was recorded were there 2 mics or just one mic plugged in?


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 2:29:49 am

Two mics plugged in


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 2:35:31 am

Well I've run out of ideas , unless it is repeatable.


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 2:38:13 am

Il write down all the settings I have it on wed... because I haven't changed anything so I'm sure it Wi happen again and I need to fix it so I don't get fired.


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Al Bergstein
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 5:32:57 am

Ari, you didn't mention if you checked out my suggestion. If you were recording one track at 10db below the other, it would sound "tinny'. Did you check to make sure that wasn't the issue?

Al


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 5:39:15 am

I only recorded one track so I think it only recorded at one volume.


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 7:14:59 am

A suggestion for the future, keep the mics on separate tracks for as long as you can, by crash mixing the mics on site very much limits what you can do with the recorded material.


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 8:36:45 am
Last Edited By Ari Mannis on May 20, 2014 at 8:41:26 am

How do I keep mics on serperate tracks in the dr-60?

Also how would i fix the issue if it is a "phase" problem.


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 8:46:28 am

Simple.... On the DR60 record as a stereo file with mic 1 plugged into ch1 and mic 2 plugged into ch2, this then gives a stereo file that is then mixed in post production in your computer.


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Bob Kessler
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 2:53:21 pm

Ari - Is your "one track" a stereo track or a single mono track?

Peace,

Bob
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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 20, 2014 at 3:06:33 pm

I was recording a steareo mono mix file...


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on May 21, 2014 at 6:59:31 pm

Turns out the problem was MS Mode was turned on.


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Natalie Sandberg
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on Jun 26, 2014 at 11:07:54 am

Hi Ari,
Did you end up finding a way to fix this?


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Ari Mannis
Re: Tascam DR-60 One Input sounds different
on Jun 26, 2014 at 5:48:04 pm

Yea,

The problem was ms matrix was on


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