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jimmy joe roche
mixer / digital recorder combo
on Mar 16, 2012 at 12:32:01 am

hello all,
for my job at the JHU media lab I've been asked to find and purchase a mixer/digital recorder - one that has been suggested is

Zoom R24 Multi-Track Recorder, Interface, Controller, and Sampler

but I did read one review that said they had synch issues running this thing.

Does anyone have experience with a mixer/digital recorder combo that works with synching video for shots at 10 - 20 min?

should we just be looking at a field mixer running into a recording device ?


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Ty Ford
Re: mixer / digital recorder combo
on Mar 16, 2012 at 2:24:04 am

Hello Jimmy and welcome to the Cow Audio Forum.

You're at Homewood? I'm in Ruxton. !0-20 minutes is the problem. The Best Practices way to do this is lock the audio and video recorders via SMPTE time code. How many tracks do you need?

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jimmy joe roche
Re: mixer / digital recorder combo
on Mar 16, 2012 at 3:46:24 pm

Hey Ty
Yeah I'm at homewood - I'm the video specialist at the Digital Media Center. Its great to know your near by. Do you work for Hopkins? Let me explane what were looking for and why in a little more detail.

So we train students ( many of which have very limited video or editing knowledge ) how to use cameras and editing software. We also provide video equipment for the film and media students who are often shooting narrative pieces on video.

I think training the students in a workflow integrating timecode may be too complex for them to grasp. also because we are increasingly turning to digital SLRS to serve as our production cameras ( we do also own 2 panasonic HPX and a XA10 ) this solution is not ideal.

Would your advice then be to train students to limit takes to about 10 mins?
If so then do you think the zoom r24 would work? Should we look at a different mixer/digital recorder combo?

My final question is - money aside - would running a designated mixer into say an Zoom H4n produce better sound then wrapping them into the same package? if so what are the best choices for this ?

thanks much
best
jjr


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Ty Ford
Re: mixer / digital recorder combo
on Mar 16, 2012 at 4:32:50 pm

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Ty


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Richard Crowley
Re: mixer / digital recorder combo
on Mar 18, 2012 at 9:45:51 pm

As Ty mentioned, shots longer than ~10 minutes starts getting into the area where un-synced pro-sumer equipment doesn't necessarily hold sync all that well.

An accurate and useful suggestion would be dependent on HOW you (or your customers) are using this equipment. Perhaps if you can give us a bit more detail, we can have a better view of your situation.

1) Why do you need more than 2 channels? You mentioned not getting into the complexity of dealing with timecode, but are you already in the complexity of mixing multiple sound tracks in post-production editing? Perhaps if you could provide a better understanding for your requirements, we could understand the trade-off decisions.

2) How many channels do you need, and what kind of microphones (or other sources) are you using? The R24 has phantom power (required for condenser mics) on only 6 of the inputs (which is better than the 2 inputs on my R16).

3) What is the competence level of the people using this equipment? The R16 (and presumably the R24) has some rather fiddly multi-level menu based setup and control requirements which may frustrate casual users. You might want to get a demo to play with yourself to evaluate whether it is suitable for your typical customers.

4) What are they shooting that is that long? Typically a single video shot >10 minutes (or even 5 minutes or 2 minutes) gets dull and boring without some sort of visual variety. Reverse-angle shots of the interviewer, or wide "cover" shots of the event or B-roll inserts of details being mentioned, etc. etc. Any of these points where the video is edited is a prime opportunity to pull-up (re-sync) the video to match the audio track. With video edit points, you significantly reduce the problem with long-term "slip" between the video and audio recordings. Also, most DSLRs won't make continuous recordings for more than 10-15 minutes, anyway because of other limitations (file size, overheating, etc.)


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