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Eric Miller
What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 21, 2010 at 3:29:06 am

Hi guys need some help...

working with a DP that will use 5d &or 7d cameras that will record PAL @ 25fps. I been told audio recorded straight to these cams is no good.

4 people will be interviewed at the same time. I have 3 mixers to choose from. However, my question lies in what recorder to use. I dont have much money to spend in a new recorder and I plan to sum up the 4 channels to 2 in the recorder but i dont know which audio recorder records in PAL @ 25 fps. I can't find information about the Zoom H4N being able to record in PAL. Which is the cheapest recorder I should get my hands on

I would appreciate any feedback on the best possible solutions! Thanks Much.


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Eric Miller
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 21, 2010 at 6:32:08 pm

can any one point me out to link that explains PAL and sample rate. How are they inter related?

Thanks


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Ty Ford
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 22, 2010 at 3:24:30 am

Hello Eric and welcome to the Cow Audio Forum.

The sample rate of a recorder has no bearing on NTSC, PAL or SECAM.

If you do the job right, you can mix the four mics to one or two tracks, but combining two or more mics to one track will compromise your ability to make changes during post.

If you really want to deliver 4 tracks, why not rent a Sound Devices 744T? t can be set to 25 FPS PAL or to no time code (among other settings).

Regards,

Ty Ford

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Eric Miller
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 22, 2010 at 6:09:09 am

Thanks Ty,

that sounds right but dont have a big budget to rent one for 10days. The H4N runs for $300. I'm concerned about the sync. Do you have any experience with 5d PAL and h4n? is there another small digital recorder that can be set to 25p?


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Bouke Vahl
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 23, 2010 at 4:50:48 am

Don't worry about sync as in keeping sync.
That will work with any half decent recorder.

You should worry about how to sync audio and video.
If it's just a few long takes, one can do it by hand. (do give a clap before or after though)

However, the cams shoot for 12 min. max, so if you are shooting multiple days, the manual syncing will take huge amounts of time.

Spend your time on figuring a way out for that.
(and no, there are no free options...)



Bouke

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Eric Miller
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 24, 2010 at 2:27:16 am

Thanks Bouke,

Audio sync to video wasn't covered in class. Are there any tutorials on how to set up 744t to a timecode slate? camera guys share a lot of tricks. Still i can't find nothing on sound. Any help is greatly appreciated.


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Bouke Vahl
Re: What recorder to use PAL 25 with Canon 5d
on Jul 26, 2010 at 6:16:24 am

Syncing not covered in class?
Where did you get an education?

Well, it's not too hard.

The 422 has timecode out. That is an audio signal, funny beeps.
Set up the recorder for 25 fps. That has nothing to do with the recording speed, but with the TC that is coming out the recorder.

You can use that to drive a smart slate.

However, a smart slate is normally just a backup.
If you have a special cable that lowers the signal, you can also put the TC on one of the audio channels. (Use the other channel for scratch sound in case something goes wrong.)

Now you got identical TC on both audio and video.
However, the editor has to decode the TC.
That is easy on Avid version 5. Avid prior to 5 needs a seperate reelname for each clip, and that sucks.
FCP cannot handle LTC by itself at all.

To overcome the trouble, you need this:
http://www.videotoolshed.com/product/26/fcp-auxtc-reader
There is a free demo, toy with it.

If you don't have a cam, you can use your recorder to test.
Just loop your TC out to a sound channel input.

Another gotcha, on some recorders (I don't know all the models), using Preroll (pre-recording) results in wrong BWF timestamps.

Toy & test.

hth,




Bouke

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