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Richard Kuenneke
Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 12:54:16 am

Hello: I need to record ambient sound from a forest - trees blowing in the wind, birds, and maybe insects. I'm using my DR-100 Tascam Digital Audio Recorder and a Sennheiser ME66/K6 with (Rycote Windjammer) super cardiod microphone. After recording today, I get the impression it may not have been the best microphone pattern to use - or maybe it was? Any thoughts on the best microphone pick up pattern for this kind of location sound recording.

Any other advice? I really appreciate your help!


Rich


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David Jones
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 2:18:38 am

Hi Rich,

What are you doing the recording for? Will it be used in a film/TV project, or something else?

For a general ambient bed, you might try using a stereo mic. It will give you a fuller, more realistic sound. However, if it's for picture, it should have the same perspective as the image.

Best,

Dave J


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Richard Kuenneke
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 2:58:55 am

Hello - Thanks for responding. It's a video project - a documentary featuring landscapes and other scenes where the actual sound may not be suitable - like adjacent to roads or whatever. My goal is to set the mood with nice ambient sound as explained before - and could you explain what you mean by perspective.

Rich


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Ty Ford
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 2:34:28 pm

Hello Richard and welcome back to the Cow Audio Forum.

I had the chance to use the Audio Technica BP4025 stereo mic last year and was very impressed with its ability to capture nature sounds. The diaphragms are big, 1", which means a very low self noise and more nature sounds.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/602082-REG/Audio_Technica_BP4025_BP40...

To download my audio file, go to: http://public.me.com/tyreeford
look in the Audio folder for the ATBP4025ambi08.wav file

Sorry I can't give you a direct link.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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Richard Kuenneke
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 3:59:57 pm

Ty: Thank you for the note AND the audio file I've just downloaded. Wonderful - that's a much fuller sound than the shotgun I was using yesterday. What are your thoughts about using a windscreen?

I really love that sound - the "centered birdcall" was terrific. That's a must have for this documentary I'm producing -

Thanks so much.

Rich


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Ty Ford
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 4:06:12 pm

Richard,

Yes, by all means you'll need that. I forget if there was a simple foam one that came with the mic, but you'll need something.

Call or contact Buzz turner in CT at Turner Audio. Tell him I asked you to call and find out what he suggests. Rycote may make a Baby Ball Gag that'll work.

And, yes, I've already used that track in a trailer I posted last summer.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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Richard Kuenneke
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 4:11:05 pm

Fantastic. I cannot wait to record my own stereo sound.

Rich


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Brian Reynolds
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 2, 2010 at 7:42:06 am

Go stereo for your situation and use an XY mic NOT a MS mic the XY setup gives better atmos.
But MS work well for some music production and some video shoots.
Something like a Rode NT4 stereo mic would work well. My favorite stereo mic is an AKG C522 but they are no longer made.
Record the sound in the widest setting as this can be reduced in post production.
Another idea for atmos recording face the mic upward, this often works well for trees and wind noise.
My ideal job would be recording atmos in surround sound using a Holophone mic.

http://www.rodemic.com/microphone.php?product=NT4
http://www.holophone.com/




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Jordan Wolf
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 3, 2010 at 11:33:33 pm

My recommendations for stereo mics (in no particular order):

Shure VP88
Rode NT4
Anything from DPA Microphones, Schoeps, or Neumann. :-)

Wolf
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Ty Ford
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 4, 2010 at 12:40:48 am

Wolfie,

The VP88s I have used are very noisy in the mid and wide positions because of the self noise of the smaller side capsules.

The NT4 is better but the capsules are still smaller than the BP4025. Drop in on the link I gave and listen to the .wav file I recorded here of the outside ambi. The larger diaphragms reall make a difference.

Regards,

Ty

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Brian Reynolds
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 4, 2010 at 1:18:11 am

I would have to agree with you Ty about the VP88, a good crowd FX mic but NOT for quiet clean atmos. MS mics work well as part of a program mix but XY is far better for true 1 mic stereo, like atmos recording.


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Richard Kuenneke
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 4, 2010 at 2:40:30 am

Can I rent these microphones - is there an on-line source for microphone rentals?

Rich


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Ty Ford
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 4, 2010 at 3:28:01 am

Rich,

Google is your friend, but the BP4025 is probably too new to have been picked up by rental houses.

The Neumann RSM191 is pretty amazing, but a bit more complicated, BTW.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&ei=zgW4S7ayOoOKlwet...

Regards,

Ty Ford

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Richard Kuenneke
Re: Microphone Question for Ambient Sound Record
on Apr 4, 2010 at 1:19:29 pm

Thanks so much Ty. I am now engaged in the process to see if I can locate a rental mic - or perhaps purchase one of those other microphones you suggested. Given our weather around here, I'm not sure a specific set of rental days would work.

Again - thanks to all who helped with this - what a fantastic forum.

Rich


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