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Bob Cole
smallest recorder with lavalier input
on Dec 5, 2009 at 12:08:24 pm

For a POV application, I'm considering old school, dual-system pic/sound.

On the video side I haven't found a helmet cam with good audio inputs, so I'm looking for a very small digital recorder which will accept mic-level inputs from a lavalier. Syncing shouldn't be too hard as both units will be started at the same time and the helmet cam does record audio after a fashion.

Thanks for your recommendations.

Bob C


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Ty Ford
Re: smallest recorder with lavalier input
on Dec 5, 2009 at 1:47:00 pm

Zoom H2?

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Ty Ford

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Bob Cole
Re: smallest recorder with lavalier input
on Dec 6, 2009 at 1:46:06 am

Very cool, Ty, and it makes the H4 look huge.

But I'd prefer something that has more positive action on the switches. You can't monitor these devices (or you'd be using wireless anyway), so I want to turn it on, put it into the talent's pocket, and be SURE that it won't be turned off if he brushes against a table or sits down in a racecar, etc. I don't mind the lack of XLR, because that obviously just isn't very likely!

Good try, though, Ty. Please sit down at the drawing board and make a new schematic. You have until... Tuesday.

Bob C


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Ty Ford
Re: smallest recorder with lavalier input
on Dec 6, 2009 at 4:11:43 am

Bob,

With those stipulations, I got nothin'.

No, wait! One of the Zaxcom wireless xmitters records to a chip in the xmitter while it's transmitting to the receiver. If there's a dropout, you don't lose the take.

Season's Best,

Ty

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Bob Cole
iPod?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 4:25:19 pm

Extremely cool idea, Ty, to have digital recording inside a transmitter. I'm going to hold off on spending that kind of dough -- I'm thinking that in a couple years this sort of thing may be standard for transmitters, or at least available in a cheaper model.

I really believe that with all of the tiny digital recorders around, there is something great available for cheap.

I have an old iPod Touch (1st generation). My research indicates that if I had a 2nd generation or newer iPod Touch, I could use the earphone jack as a mic input. Do you audio pro's know about using an iPod as a digital audio recorder, or should I mosey on over to the iPod Forum?

Thanks!

Bob C


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Terry Mikkelsen
Re: iPod?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 6:17:12 pm

"But I'd prefer something that has more positive action on the switches. You can't monitor these devices (or you'd be using wireless anyway), so I want to turn it on, put it into the talent's pocket, and be SURE that it won't be turned off if he brushes against a table or sits down in a racecar, etc. I don't mind the lack of XLR, because that obviously just isn't very likely!"

I think this applies to iPod as well.

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Bob Cole
Re: iPod?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 10:23:30 pm

Luckily, there are cases for the iPod which protect the screen from accidental touches.

Okay, I'll mosey on over to iPod land. Thanks!

Bob C


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Ty Ford
Re: iPod?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 10:37:42 pm

Bob,

The presumption being that there's a professional quality lav that'll interface with an iPod. Please let us know what you find.

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Ty Ford

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Sam Mallery
Re: iPod?
on Dec 7, 2009 at 7:45:40 pm

I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith into an iPod. The microphone connector that's integrated into the headphone jack isn't the most reliable. The mic connection is just one thin ring on an 1/8" plug.

Another question is what lav mic to you plan on using? Is that lav going to require power from its input? Is that lav going to have sufficient protection from wind? When a helmet cam is involved, it leads one to believe that wind is going to be a factor.

I would check out the Yamaha Pocketrak CX. It's really small and it has a dedicated mini-plug mic input. A lav you can use for that is the Sony ECM-CS10.

Any lav mic is going to require wind protection. You're likely going to need a Rycote Lavalier Windjammer:
http://www.rycote.com/products/families/personal-microphone-solutions/

Another recorder/mic option you have is using a M-Audio MicroTrack II recorder and a professional wired lav mic. The MicroTrack has balanced TRS inputs that supply full 48V of phantom power. This means that you could use two pro-level lavalier microphones. Both the Yamaha CX and MicroTrack have a "hold" switch that disables all of the controls to prevent accidental commands.




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Bob Cole
Thanks!
on Dec 8, 2009 at 3:42:49 am

Thanks Sam. Great ideas for the digital recorder. The "hold" switch makes all the difference.

Bob C


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Ty Ford
Re: iPod?
on Dec 6, 2009 at 8:36:23 pm

mosey, pard.

Ty

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Lars Norberg
Re: iPod?
on Mar 21, 2010 at 3:19:15 pm

Hello. New here.

I have good news and bad news. The perfect solution for you would be an iRiver 795 coupled with a Giant Squid lavalier mic. For wind screen you can pick up a 4-pack at Radioshack for about $2. The iRiver 795 is about half the size of a cigarette pack so it fits easily in any pocket, and it has a "lock" switch to prevent anyone from shutting it off.

The bad news is that they stopped making the iRiver 795 about 3 years ago and they are no longer readily available on ebay. If you keep looking maybe you'll get lucky and find one?


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