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stan welks
Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 2:43:13 am

I'm going to set up a boom connected directly to an HVX-200 and place it on a C-Stand over my head as I talk during a shot without any camera movement.

1. Is the idea situation to have the boom as close to me as possible without being in the shot?

2. Should it be aimed directly at my mouth?

3. Is there any advantage to placing it under me, pointing up toward my mouth rater than over me?

4. Any other basic tips for placement?

Thanks!


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David Jones
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 4:49:58 am

Hi Stan

To answer your questions:

1. In general, it is ideal to have the mic as close as possible without being in the shot, but if you are doing it all yourself, you would put the mic one to two feet overhead (depending on the shot), and slightly in front of you.

2. You can point the mic at your mouth but you have to make sure you don't move in and out of the axis or there will be changes in volume and tone. You can also point it at the bottom of your sternum. That way, you will be speaking into the loeb (the width of the pickup pattern).

4. You can check out an article for free on booming at http://www.equipmentemporium.com. Just click on Articles about Prod Sound, then the one about booming. Or you could buy Ty's book :o)


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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 5:55:28 am

Hi David,

"2. You can point the mic at your mouth but you have to make sure you don't move in and out of the axis or there will be changes in volume and tone."

I will be facing the camera when speaking, however, there will be times that I will need to turn to my side to do something on a laptop that will be in front of me on a table. Will this be a problem? I am doing this all myself so there will not be anyone to help reposition the boom, that is why it will be on a c-stand. Should I be using a lav instead?

Thank you!



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David Jones
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 6:12:08 am

If you're going to be moving like you described, I would go with a lav. Unless what you're doing with the laptop won't be a part of the program and so you wouldn't be speaking at that point.


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Ty Ford
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 11:38:04 am

Hello Stan and welcome to the Cow Audio Forum.

Thanks Dave ;)

Stan, in your case I would use a Countryman E6 over the ear mic. You can see (and hear( the one I use on this Youtube piece.







Both guys are wearing E6. They can turn their heads anyway they want and they are still on mic. Listen to how present they sound. Sure they are in my acoustically-treated audio studio, but the mic element is 2 inches from their mouths. Head turns (even they are not doing much of that) are not a problem.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 5:25:06 pm

Hi Ty,

The Countryman sounds great. However, my concern is that it will draw too much attention to the mic in front of my face during my video. I could not really see it in the YouTube video, partially because of YouTube compression. Curious why you recommend this over a lav.

Thanks!





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Ty Ford
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 6:00:48 pm

Hello Stan,

It's not in front of your face, It's on your cheek when positioned properly. In fact putting it in front of your face would be a big mistake. It would pop like crazy.

If you cheat the talent a bit to one side you never even see it.

I am loading a file called Josh Guitar 2 final to my online server at http://www.tyford.com. Much less compression. Yes he has a beard, but I'm using the black E6 on him. The fleshtone E6 blends in a lot better on regular skin.

I thought I made it clear why I choose the E6 over a lav. Go figure. It's because the mic is closer to the mouth and head turns don't effect it.

The networks are using them.

Regards,

Ty Ford




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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 9:20:25 pm

Hi Ty,

Thanks for your advice and info! I looked at your site, though I did not see the file.

Thanks!



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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 25, 2008 at 10:16:15 pm

Based on the excellent info in this thread I have moved away from the idea of using a boom for this particular shoot, though I still have some questions about them. I am including links to pictures of equipment I have available to me.

Boompole left side
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2702491346/

Boompole right side
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2702491386/

1. What piece is missing that will enable me to connect the boom mic to this pole?

2. These two boom pole holders for c-stands do not seem particularly stable, unless I am using them wrong. Does anyone have any recommendations for equipment to connect to c-stands to hold booms?

Boom holder A
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2701684355/

Boom holder B
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2701685311/


Thanks!



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David Jones
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 26, 2008 at 4:23:44 am

Hi Stan

I took a look at your other photos you had posted and I noticed the boom arm on the c-stand; you don't want to use the (c-stand) boom arm with ether boompole mount.

First, put a 2 1/2 grip head on the c-stand and put the boom pole mount in the smaller opening of the grip head (so the boompole mount is parallel with the floor).

Second, put a sandbag on the long leg of the c-stand.

Third, extend the (mic) boompole (from the smallest end) until it is as long as you need to keep the stand out of the shot and out of the way. Put the pole in the boom mount and adjust the stand so the long leg w/sandbag is opposite the front of the pole where the mic will be (this adjustment should be done before you mount the pole).

As far as your question about the boom pole, I can't really tell what's missing. It looks like you're missing the thread mount on the end of it which makes it totally useless; you need to be able to mount a shockmount on the pole for the mic. Can you take some clearer pics of it? What brand is it?


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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 26, 2008 at 7:53:29 pm

Just came across this video where it appears the person is wearing a lav and something around his ear. I can't imagine that he is wearing both a lav, and mic similar to the Countryman you are recommending. Any idea what it is around his ear?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2704738072/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2704738066/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2704738072/in/photostream/



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David Jones
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 27, 2008 at 2:51:34 am

That's an earpiece for IFB. News reporters and anchors use them to hear the off-air broadcast and cues from producers when doing live shots for the news or sports.


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stan welks
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 27, 2008 at 4:00:49 am

Hi David,

Thanks for your responses! I am experimenting with the lav and am going to continue looking into the Countryman recommended earlier. In the meantime, does the way that I have this lav affixed to the shirt look correct?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12872593@N06/2705768594/

Should I tape the extra cable dangling underneath the shirt down? Any other general tips?

Thanks again!



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David Jones
Re: Basic boom questions
on Jul 28, 2008 at 2:58:21 pm

It looks good, though, make sure it isn't rubbing against you. Based on what you're doing, you shouldn't have to tape the cable down unless you find you're getting noise from it. What you might want to do is make a 1" loop in the cable a couple of inches from the mic and secure it with string or tape. Again, you can see how at equipmentemporium.com and look it up under the "articles on sound".


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