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Jim
replacing a barrowed mic
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on Mar 20, 2007 at 1:25:31 am

What is the best USB Mic and are they comparable to what I was using below in sound quality for voice over work for presentations.

I was borrowing a Sennheiser MD421 and had to return it. It was connected to my Mackie Mixer then into a Delta 44 audio card in the computer. In a sound deadened room.

I also have a AT4060 mic but without the Audio Techinca amp and I am wondering which way to go?
1. Buy a USB mic and by pass everything i was using
2. Replace the Senheiser and use what i was using
3. Get the amp for the AT4060 and hook it directly to the Delta 44 card

May i be so bold to ask Can I get info in quality order as it might have a lot to do with my budget


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JC Boulay
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Mar 20, 2007 at 2:59:49 am

Oh dear! There is no question in my mind you want to use that AT. The 4060 is a very nice cardioid condenser, exactly what you want for voice-overs. Just to help convince you, it's a tube mic. That is some serious hardware you have lying around. In fact, I don't know an enginner who wouldn't reach for that before the MD421 which is considered a tom drum mic. You want to use that thing. Getting your hands on an AT8560 power supply should be your first priority.

Replacing the MD421 for a voice-over mic would get you into buying something similar yet inferior to the AT4060, so it's kind of a moot point.

USB mics are dead-simple to use but none of the existing models are really really good mics. They tend to be entry-level mics. Most of them are way under the 300$ barrier, and in microphones, you tend to get what you pay for. If you didn't have the Mackie desk, the Delta 44 and a 4060, it could be a way to go. It'd kind of like leaving the 65 Mustang with a bad radiator in the garage to buy a Ford Echo, in your wituation. The 4060 is worth almost 1300$ with power supply, to put things in perspective.

So find a power supply for the AT, hands down. That mic could be worth a better preamp than a Mackie desk some day, but if budget is of the essence, leave that for later.

If you can't find a power supply or it's too expensive, you could offload the 4060 and get extra dough for another mic. That would be too bad, though.

good luck on your trilemna. (is that even a word?)

JC Boulay
Audio Z
Montreal, Canada
http://www.audioz.com


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Jim
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
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on Mar 20, 2007 at 4:31:52 am

Wow that alot of good info for me - i am thinking how to make the T4060 work.
two things come to mind;
1. Can the Mackie Mixer 1202 vlz Pro run the T4060 (be the amp)?
2. If not is there a way to check the T4060?

A friend heartfully gave me the Mic without the amp that had no more use for it becuse he had throat cancer, so I don't know if it works. The AT8560 power supply from Audio Technica was like 800 bucks. But if i could find out if it works and the mackie did run it I would realize that the money spent would have to be.

You got me thinking now thanks, Jim


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JC Boulay
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Mar 20, 2007 at 1:30:37 pm

What you're missing is not an amp, it's the power supply. Since there's a tube in the mic, it requires current that is different from what the Mackie, or any preamp, will feed it through phantom power. The power supply plugs into your wall socket and there's a special cable between the power supply and mic. You plug your XLR going to the Mackie on the power supply. So without the power supply, you just can't get to the Mackie because your mic has no power. You need both the Mackie and the power supply.

The other problem is that you can't really be sure the 4060 works unless you have the power supply. Kind of a catch-22 there. You may be able to convince an Audio Technica dealer to let you test your mic with one of their power supplies, but that is assuming you have a nice neighbourhood audio shop, which is not given to everyone. Also, I don't know where the cost of the power supply fits into your budget, but if you spent 800$ on a new mic, it would still probably be inferior to the AT4060.

good hunting!

JC Boulay
Audio Z
Montreal, Canada
http://www.audioz.com


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Jim
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
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on Apr 6, 2007 at 6:45:58 pm

<1. Can the Mackie Mixer 1202 vlz Pro run the T4060 (be the amp)?>
<2. If not is there a way to check the mic?


answers:
1.The Mackie 1202 VLZ PRO has phantom power if that is what you mean,(I can try it when I get the mic Tuesday) but I was confussed if it is the way to go. Meaning if there would be better quality if I used a tube pre-amp to boost the signal and would it conflict with the tube that it is in base of the mic?
2.I don't know how to check the mic besides just hooking it up, it will arrive Tuesday I can try then. It has a power supply but I don't know if that is a pre-amp???

Thanks Jim
P.S. I gave as much info because I heard read that features of a compressor-limiter would help with rooms that were not quite. I might be hurting myself with my homework but I am trying get educated and do what I can to understand this forums posting as everyone here is more knowledgeable that me. But I love this stuff and place.


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Ty Ford
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Mar 21, 2007 at 12:40:54 am

What JC said, in spades.

Ty Ford

Ty Ford's "Audio Bootcamp Field Guide" was written for video people who want better audio. Find out more at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford/AudioBootcamp.html
or http://www.tyford.com
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Jim
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
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on Apr 6, 2007 at 5:34:28 pm

Well, I guess it took a while to digest the cost of getting the power supply to the AT4060 but I did. I sent the mic to Audio Technica to check it and it is in spec. Cheryl there gave me a wholesale price on the power supply and mic cord ($500.00)- it arrives this Tuesday. I am now totally committed and would like to get a pre amp for the mic. Do you or Ty have any suggestions for a pre amp that matches the quality of the mic, should it be a tube preamp, and maybe suggest a cheap but good alternative if we are talking real expensive - I am in un-chartered waters and don't know what I am talking about but I sure am hooked.

I have a sound deadened room power cords routed up to the ceiling away from the signal cords. Signal cords routed along the floor. They only cross one un-avoidable place at an 90 degree angle, A AT4060 mic, Mackie 1202 mixer, and Delta 44 audio card in my computer where I will record into. Looking for a known good mic pre.

Thanks guys a lot, Jim


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Ty Ford
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Apr 6, 2007 at 9:10:43 pm

Hey,

I have always liked the 4060. Sort of like listening through distilled water.

Depends on your wallet, but I use GML, Millennia Media STT-1 and Aphex 1100 preamps.

In addition, you would probably like an Amek/Neve 9098, John Hardy, Jensen dual 990, Great River or Grace.

Regards,

Ty Ford


Ty Ford's "Audio Bootcamp Field Guide" was written for video people who want better audio. Find out more at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford/AudioBootcamp.html
or http://www.tyford.com
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Jim
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
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on Apr 6, 2007 at 10:58:28 pm

Thanks I have got to ask is, "Sort of like listening through distilled water" good? It sounds bad.


Jim


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Ty Ford
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Apr 7, 2007 at 12:52:56 pm

good actually.

I review mics as part of the way I make a living. I reviewed the AT4060 shortly after it came out. That review is in the mic reviews folder in my On Line Archive.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Ty Ford's "Audio Bootcamp Field Guide" was written for video people who want better audio. Find out more at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford/AudioBootcamp.html
or http://www.tyford.com
Download Ty Ford's "Existential Boogie" from iTunes now.


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Jim
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
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on Apr 9, 2007 at 5:18:53 am

Yes, I was glad to find it and read it.
It was actually encouraging that you compared it in some respect against the Neumann as far as signal noise.

I was just on over load with all the information I was trying to digest.

Anyway thanks and I hope you had an enjoyable Easter.

Jim


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Ty Ford
Re: replacing a barrowed mic
on Apr 9, 2007 at 12:18:29 pm

Yes, thanks. You as well.

It is very easy to get overwhelmed by the sheer number of mics on the market these days.

Regards,

Ty Ford



Ty Ford's "Audio Bootcamp Field Guide" was written for video people who want better audio. Find out more at http://home.comcast.net/~tyreeford/AudioBootcamp.html
or http://www.tyford.com
Download Ty Ford's "Existential Boogie" from iTunes now.


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