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John Stanowski
Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 8:47:14 pm

Sorry for the newb question. But this has always confused the hell out of me.

Should a 15-second spot run up to the 15 mark on the timeline?
Or should it run to 14.29?

I ask because there is a slot for a frame belonging to zero in PPRO and in AE.
I know this spot probably really belongs to "1" on the timeline,
but the CTI in both PPRO and AE highlight the frame to the right of the number.

I just sent some spots to ABC and they are telling me they are a tad short.

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Oliver Peters
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 9:25:16 pm

The last frame should be a timecode value of 14:29. Frames are inclusive. So a :00 frame has a duration of 1 frame, so the spot will start at :00.

So a couple of questions. Are you counting timecode and not frames? Is this NDF or DF timecode? What is the starting TC number?

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John Stanowski
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 9:48:00 pm

That's what I've been doing. Ending a :30 at 29:29, and a :15 at 14:29.
I'm using Timecode. I assume it's drop frame, but does it matter for a such a short video?
The starting number is 00;00;00;00

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John Stanowski
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 9:56:58 pm

So, if my spot is :15 seconds long, should it end here like this?



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Dave LaRonde
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 10:42:53 pm

You're good. That's a :15 spot. Your last frame is 14:29 (14:59 at 59.94).

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John Stanowski
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 21, 2019 at 11:06:18 pm

Okay, thanks.
I've been doing it wrong all this time then.
Tomorrow starts a new day though.

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Tero Ahlfors
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 22, 2019 at 6:09:33 am

You can see the duration of your in/out selection on the lower right of your source and program windows.


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Bouke Vahl
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 22, 2019 at 6:32:54 am

The "00:00:00:00 is a frame too" makes it easy.
But now to add to the confusion, the OUTPOINT is at 15 round, on 'some' systems.
In the old (lineair bay) days, and outpoint meant 'up to', NOT 'up and including'.
So for some forms of notation, you should write down 'TC out' as 00:00:15:00 where that frame actually is not there.
(This is why some forms say 'last image' instead of' TC out')
But it really depends...

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John Stanowski
Re: Should 15-sec spot reach 15 on the timeline? Or 14.29?
on Mar 22, 2019 at 7:50:20 am

Wow, what a fantastic tip! I always thought that the timecode in the lower left and right of the Program Window was just copy of the playhead location. I never really looked it that closely before.
That will come in very handy.

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