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manish choudhary
New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 14, 2017 at 10:54:25 pm

Which one is best for

4K Music video editing in premiere pro
rotoscoping and composting in after effects
motion graphic design in cinema 4d

1. Hp's Z6

Processor :-

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6136 Processor (3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666MHz, 12 core)

Or
Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (2.3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666 MHz, 18 core)


Operating System :-
Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

Chasis

Z6 G4 90 1000 W Chassis


Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)


Memory :-

64GB (2x32GB) or (4x16GB) DDR4-2666 ECC Registered Memory (1 Processor)


Internal OS load storage options :-

Operating System Load to M.2

512 GB HP Z Turbo Drive Self-Encrypted (SED) M.2 SSD


Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller

Hard Drive :-

4 TB 7200 RPM SATA Enterprise 3.5" HDD x 4 = 16 TB


RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 5


Additional networking options :-

Intel® X550-T2 10GbE Dual Port NIC


Front I/O ports :-

Premium - 2x USB 3.1 Type-C; 2x USB 3.0 Type-A


Accessories :-

HP Z6 G4 Memory Cooling Solution

Z4/Z6 G4 Side Panel Barrel Keylock


Thunderboalt 3 :-

Thunderboalt 3 Pcie card

Cost Arround $8000 USD


2. Dell's 7820 Precision Tower

Processor :-

Intel Xeon Gold 6140 2.3GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo 18C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI, 25M Cache, HT (140W) DDR4-2666

Or


Intel Xeon Gold 6136 3.0GHz, 3.7GHz Turbo, 12C, 10.4GT/s 3UPI,24.75M Cache, HT (150W) DDR4-2666

Operating System :-
Windows® 10 Pro for Workstation (4 Cores Plus) Multi - English, French, Spanish

Chassis :-

Precision 7820 Tower 950W Chassis


Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)


Memory :-

64GB (4x16GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC


Boot Drive Option

Internal NVMe PCIe SSD (Dell Ultra-Speed Drive)

Dell Ultra-Speed Drive Quad PCIe SSD x16 card, 1 M.2 512GB PCIe NVMe Class 50 Solid State Drive


Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller (4GB cache)

Hard Drive :-

3.5" 4TB 7200rpm Nearline SAS Hard Drive x 2 = 8 TB


RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 5


PCIe I/O Cards (ThunderBoalt 3)

USB 3.1 G2 PCIe Card - 2 Type C Ports. 1DP in


Network Cards


Intel® X550-T2 10GbE NIC, Dual Port, Copper

Cost Arround $8500 USD


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andy patterson
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 14, 2017 at 11:11:48 pm

The systems listed above sound good if you can afford it. For other people an off the shelf system might work OK.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227762


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Shane Ross
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 15, 2017 at 1:59:34 am

Amost..that i7 processor isn't as fast as a Xenon

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andy patterson
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 15, 2017 at 2:57:16 am

[Shane Ross] "Amost..that i7 processor isn't as fast as a Xenon"

The i7s have Quick Sync but the new Xeons have AVX-512. The Canon Lake CPU are supposed to get the AVX-512 instruction set. Having said that the consumer CPUs often offer a better bang for the buck. There is no doubt in my mind the system below will hold it's own against an entry level iMac Pro.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227762


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 15, 2017 at 12:21:24 pm

@Shane didnt get what you saying..


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 16, 2017 at 10:11:14 am

anyone


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Chris Wright
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 16, 2017 at 3:44:34 pm

unfortunately no such cpu exists.

AE likes 4 cores at a really high clock speed. premiere likes 10 cores at a really high clock speed and c4d (render) likes 20 cores with dual gpu's. c4d (design, animation) likes high freq 8700k because it only utilizes a single core.

closest you could get for all three would be a really expensive 7940x.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Per...


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 16, 2017 at 4:53:57 pm

budget is not an problem

i also like new W series

W Series

W-2155 with 10 core 13.75M L3 Cache and 3.3 Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo Boost
W-2195 with 18 Core 24.75M L3 Cache and 2.6 Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo Boost

Gold Series

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6136 Processor (3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666MHz, 12 core)
Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (2.3 GHz, up to 3.7 GHz w/Turbo Boost, 24.75 MB cache, 2666 MHz, 18 core)


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Chris Wright
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 16, 2017 at 5:48:39 pm

The gold series is clocked too low for design/graphics hybrid workstations. The W-2195 would have more cores for c4d rendering but slower in the other apps.

if you must have EEC memory, I'd go with the W-2155 as it is the most comparable to 7940 series although 1% slower and more expensive.


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 16, 2017 at 6:42:26 pm

does L3 Cache memory means alot ?


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Roger Averdahl
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 17, 2017 at 7:18:30 pm

Manish, if you are going to use one (1) processor don´t buy a computer with two processor sockets since the price goes up drastically. Buy a two socket computer only if you buy it with two processors. ☺

If you plan to use one (1) processor, aim for a workstation with one (1) processor socket. ☺

For HP, look at the Z4 and for DELL i am not sure what model they have. (5820?) Unfortunately the Z4 is not on sale yet, but if you can wait you will save lot´s of money.


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 17, 2017 at 8:40:06 pm

Ya i want to go with Hp's Z4 Or Dell's Precision Tower 5820

my main question is this does more L3 cache means lot in premiere pro than more core counts and more clock speed.?

and also i create z4 specs and also with dell 5820 same configurations mentioned above

tell me is it is so powerful to handle 4k work in premiere pro and after effects.

Processor :-
Inter Xeon W-2155
10 Core 20 Thread
3.3Ghz 4.5 Ghz Turbo

Or


Intel Xeon W-2175
14 Core 28 Thread
2.5 Ghz 4.3 Ghz Turbo

Or

Intel Xeon W2195
18 Core 36 Thread
2.6 Ghz 4.4 Ghz Turbo


Operating System :-
N/A

Chasis

Z6 G4 90 1000 W Chassis


Graphics Card :-

NVIDIA Quadro P5000, 16B (5820T)


Memory :-

64GB (2x32GB) or (4x16GB) DDR4-2666 ECC Registered Memory


Internal OS load storage options :-
512 GB HP Z Turbo Drive Self-Encrypted (SED) M.2 SSD

Render & Media Preview :-

1 TB HP Z Turbo Drive Self-Encrypted (SED) M.2 SSD


Hard Drive Controllers :-

MegaRAID SAS 9460-8i 12Gb/s PCIe SATA/SAS HW RAID controller


Hard Drive :-

4 TB 7200 RPM SATA Enterprise 3.5" HDD x 4 = 16 TB


RAID Configurations for SATA/SAS Hard Drives/Solid :-

RAID 0


Additional networking options :-

Intel® X550-T2 10GbE Dual Port NIC


Front I/O ports :-

Premium - 2x USB 3.1 Type-C; 2x USB 3.0 Type-A


Accessories:-

HP Z6 G4 Memory Cooling Solution

Z4/Z6 G4 Side Panel Barrel Keylock


Thunderbolt 3 :-

Thunderbolt 3 Pcie scard


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greg janza
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 18, 2017 at 12:13:33 am

I noticed that you've posted the same query on the Adobe Hardware forum which I think is very wise. However, it also appears that you're ignoring the advice that Bill Gehrke gave you. If I was putting together a new system I would absolutely follow his recommendations.

Here's Bill's general advice for building a new system:

Do not go with off the shelf big name configurations, go to custom video editing builders like Puget. Safe Harbor or ADK they will ask you many questions about your media and workflow and deliver a real optimized video editing system that will do much better than any off the shelf.

Xeon's are a architecture of the past.
Unless you have a very expensive 10-bit monitor a Quadro card is overkill.
Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive. Use only for Projects and Media. Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving.
Get professional help


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Brad Bussé
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 20, 2017 at 2:47:16 am

[greg janza] "Do not waste a super speed M.2 PCIe x4 SSD on the boot drive. Use only for Projects and Media. Use a standard SATA III SSD for the OS/Applications.
Never use RAID 5 if you are dealing with high sequential rates like video streams
RAID is a thing of the past for performance, it is good for high reliability back up and archiving."


Using an M.2 x4 for your Projects and Media would only work if you never need to have more than 1.5 TB of usable space for all of your concurrent live projects and their media. I imagine M.2 x4 would also be a great dedicated Ae cache drive (probably want to periodically reformat, and may be a wear item burner (see last paragraph).

RAID 5 is great for storing large amounts of data, with parity for data redundancy, as well as high sustained data rates. A 6 drive RAID-5 can provide in the dozens of TB and sustained read and write speeds of ~1GB/s. An 8 drive RAID-6 can do the same and provide even more safety with the ability to hot swap 2 drives without data loss. Sure, you should always have an off-site archive of your work, but RAID-5/6/10/50/60 provide a great solution for allowing you to work with large projects locally and not have any downtime in the event of a drive failure.

Besides, solid state still isn't a great solution for long term life span in applications where tons of i/o operations are constantly being written.


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andy patterson
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 18, 2017 at 12:59:03 am

The cache is really a non issue so don't worry about it. Having said that the cache is very very important. Maybe the most important part of the CPU.

Are you confused yet?

There was a time when cache worked like RAM slot. If you went form a 16K cache to a 32K cache you would not see a huge jump in performance but there would be some benefits. Keep in mind the cache ran at the bus speed of the motherboard.

The Pentium II put the cache on a separate PCB/daughter card that the Pentium II was connected to. This really helped performance since the cache ran at half the speed of the CPU instead of the bus speed of the motherboard.

Later the cache was put on the CPU die. Once again huge boost in performance. They could use a smaller amount of L1 and L2 cache with the on die method and get better performance than the CPUs with larger amounts of cache on the PCB/daughter card. The way the cache is implemented has a very big impact on performance but the amount of cache does not. The cache helps out but doubling the amount of cache will not double the performance. At best you might see a 5% increase in performance. The CPU vendors now the correct amount of cache to add to get good performance without sacrificing to much of the CPU die real estate. Without any cache your CPU would be a lot slower.

I hope this helped.


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 18, 2017 at 11:46:30 am

one more thing does nvidia's titan XP performs well with intel's new W series or i have to use quadro?


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 20, 2017 at 8:28:23 am

https://www.broadcom.com/products/storage/raid-controllers/megaraid-9460-8i


is this raid is great for 16tb raid and also what raid i use RAID 5 or RAID 0.?


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manish choudhary
Re: New Workstation for blazing fast performance
on Dec 24, 2017 at 4:38:12 pm

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