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Dale Kutzera
Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 8, 2017 at 3:16:32 am

Got no response on the archive forum so reposting here:

I have a bunch of old HDCAM tapes I hope to capture and store on a hard drive. I've found a Sony J-H1 deck. What's the process to hook this up to a Mac and capture the footage with Premiere? I understand a video capture card may be required. If so, what kind? Thanks for any advice.


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 8, 2017 at 3:52:46 pm
Last Edited By Brent Marginet on Dec 8, 2017 at 3:54:34 pm

Buy yourself something like a BlackMagic Decklink Card.
If you don't want to buy new then search eBay.
If you do buy something on eBay don't purchase anything older than an Extreme 3D+.
Also make sure to ask the seller if all of the original Cable Harnesses are included.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 8, 2017 at 11:55:33 pm

Thanks. I'll look for one of those cards. Are there other brands or varieties of cards that get the job done for less $$$.


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 12:37:08 am

There are AJA, Matrox, Bluefish and several other brands of cards or interfaces but BlackMagic seems to have the most cost effective units. You need something that can handle HD with the JH-1 Deck so don't cheap out.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 1:25:40 am

What Brent said. Blackmagic is the least expensive options out there. NOW, the one you get depends on your computer. Do you need an internal card that fits in a slot, or do you have a Thunderbolt connection? Make sure you get one that can connect to your computer.

Yeah, when dealing with high end video from HDCAM, you can't get a $50 card...but the cheapest they offer is $145...

Shane
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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 1:35:26 am

Thanks. I appreciate the help. Normally I'd go to a video house for this but the quotes I got here over a grand. And I have seen cheap video cards like this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-Express-x1-PCI-E-FireWire-1394a-IEEE1394-Contr...

But assume they are the wrong type for this setup.


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 2:03:13 am

That’s not going to work.
The JH-1 comes in two versions, one with Component HD and the other with HDSDI outputs. If your JH-1 has the Component Outputs you will need a card with Analog Comoment Video inputs and Analog Audio inputs. In that case your going to have to spend at least $400. If it has the HDSDI Output then BM has a card that starts at $145 like Shane said.

Sorry but your not going to be able to digitize HDCam tapes with an $8 card.

Please post a picture of the rear of your decks connectors.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 3:01:23 am

See if this image works:


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andy patterson
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 3:44:00 am

I see BNC component connectors. Do you need full deck control?


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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 9, 2017 at 8:09:34 pm

I don't believe I would. I'm basically trying to archive some footage from tapes to a hard drive. And the original project was completed in 720p and I may want to someday reconstruct it in 1080. There are about 9 40-min tapes. I was thinking of just capturing everything but if space becomes an issue I could just capture selected takes. That may require more control of the machine. But if less control means there's a cheaper way to do capture I'm all for that.


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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 10, 2017 at 12:33:07 am

That has component and composite connections....so you'll need to get the more expensive Blackmagic Cards that accept Component inputs.

Shane
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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 10, 2017 at 12:50:04 am

So the D3, Monitor, and RS232C plugs are no use in exporting HD?


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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 10, 2017 at 1:12:39 am

No...D3 is a data port, not sure what MONITOR is... The only video out ports on that are the Composite and Component. But the Component is HD. There is a such thing as Component HD. I have a monitor with HD COMponent inputs

Shane
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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 10, 2017 at 1:14:03 am

The BlackMagic Intensity may be a good option for you.
There's a USB 3 and Thunderbolt version available and they start at $200.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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andy patterson
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 10, 2017 at 11:14:34 pm

[Brent Marginet] "The BlackMagic Intensity may be a good option for you.
There's a USB 3 and Thunderbolt version available and they start at $200."


As long as he gets the BNC to RCA adapters I think it should work. The only thing is the Intensity Pro 4K can offer capture of 1920 X 1080P at 60 FPS. The Intensity Shuttle will not capture 1920 X 1080 at 60 FPS. Not sure if 60 FPS is needed or not. I also think you can purchase the BNC breakout cables separately with the Intensity Pro 4K version.

The video below might be worth watching.







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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 2:22:56 am

[andy patterson] "The Intensity Shuttle will not capture 1920 X 1080 at 60 FPS. Not sure if 60 FPS is needed or not."

The only 60fps tape format there is is 720p60. 1080 on tape is always 29.97 or 23.98.

Shane
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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 3:40:06 am

Thanks. I'll look for an Intensity card. Still overall much cheaper than having a house transfer all these tapes.


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andy patterson
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 4:24:51 am

[Shane Ross] "[andy patterson] "The Intensity Shuttle will not capture 1920 X 1080 at 60 FPS. Not sure if 60 FPS is needed or not."

The only 60fps tape format there is is 720p60. 1080 on tape is always 29.97 or 23.98."


I am hip. I think the Intensity Shuttle will work OK. I am just hinting that for the price it might be better to get the Intensity Pro 4K because it has a lot more options than the Shuttle. I admit you would need an empty PCIE X4 slot.


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 5:11:58 am

HDCam cannot do 60 progressive fps the max it can do is 60i so the Intensity Shuttle will be perfect for his needs.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 5:25:28 pm

Just as an FYI, the Monitor Output on that deck is for a VGA Computer Monitor.
I believe that it worked with a 1024x768 Monitor but if I remember correctly the video looked pretty bad through any monitor.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 11, 2017 at 11:53:09 pm

Yeah I 've hooked the deck to a monitor via that output and happily the deck works fine, but the video is rather "speckly" for whatever reason.


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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Dec 12, 2017 at 1:09:42 am

Yeah, that's more of a way to see what is on the tape, not any way to capture or critically judge.

Shane
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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Jan 21, 2018 at 5:13:00 pm

Getting back to this task after the holidays.

What type of BM Decklink Card or Intensity Shuttle would work in an older mac pro tower? There are a dizzying array of cards. I'm hoping to pick one up off Ebay. Some have hdmi ports, others component ports. What model will fit into a mac pci-e slot...or do I just compare the slots to those of video cards I already have.

There are two flavors of Shuttle...thunderbolt and USB 3.0. My old tower has neither. Would fitting it with a Thunderbolt or 3.0 pci card make either type of Shuttle work?

Thanks in advance.


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Shane Ross
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Jan 22, 2018 at 9:17:15 pm

You want one of these...these are cards that install in PCIe slots.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/decklink

Shane
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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Feb 3, 2018 at 11:30:05 pm

Is anyone familiar with exporting footage from a Sony J-H1? Here's my current setup:
--HDcam deck to a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0
--The shuttle connected to a Mac Pro tower into a USB 3.0 pci card
--Using Blackmagic's Media Express I can view the footage...so far so good.
--BUT...there are dropped frames when capturing, the audio sounds like chipmunks, and every so often the program tells me the file doesn't match the project's settings.

So I believe my last hurdle is getting the right settings down. The hdcam deck flashes 29.97 so I assume that is what the tapes were recorded at. I choose this in the Media Express preferences window. I have tried capturing at both uncompressed and Prores 4444 settings. Both result in dropped frames, but less with Prores (which tells me a Prores format may be less taxing on the USB 3.0 pci card). While the video looks good, the audio sounds sped up. Any thoughts on the correct settings?


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Brent Marginet
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Feb 4, 2018 at 1:53:59 am

As far as I can remember if the Frame Rate indicator is flashing then you have the deck set to the wrong frame rate. That would also explain the chipmunk sounding audio and dropped frames. Many decks will still playback even if you have the frame rate set incorrectly but there will always be something wrong with the audio and video when it's not set to the same frame rate as the tapes were recorded at.

These could be the base frame rate masters which may have been done at 23.976 or they could even be PAL 25fps masters. The last production house I worked at only kept the 23.976 Masters in our Library so that we could do any required frame rate conversions that were required later on.

"MY MEDIA/PROJECT MOTTO: If you think three copies of your Media or Projects are enough. Take a moment to place a value on them and then maybe add two more.
Hard Drives are now stupidly cheap. A RE-SHOOT AND YOUR TIME AREN'T."


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Dale Kutzera
Re: Capture from Sony j-H1?
on Feb 4, 2018 at 5:04:51 am

Thanks. I think that is the issue. I assumed the deck would automatically play the tapes at their native format, but that's not the case. Worse, the J-h1 doesn't have a 23.98 option. It only plays at 29.97 or 25. The audio is much better exporting at 25, and I've found information online about the 4% speed difference and ways to correct the pitch. I'm exploring option to convert the exported 25 fps footage to 23.98, but I may have to find a j-h3 deck after all.


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