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Josh Kurz
Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 7:34:53 pm

Hey Everyone,
I'm working on a project that will require editing on the road. We'll be using Premiere and there will be at least two people working with the same footage at the same time (Editor and Assistant Editor). Ideally, I'd like to have a set up that would allow everyone to access the same footage at the same time. I have not decided whether to go all laptops or a tower and a laptop. Just wondering if anyone had any advice for what setup would work or if anyone has experience with this sort of thing. A few ideas that I was tossing around:
1. A Drobo 5N connected to a switch and two computers (possible gigabit bottlenecking)
2. Using one Edit machine to Share an external Drobo 5D (possibly too processor intensive for Edit machine)

Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,
-Josh


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Bob Zelin
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 7:40:58 pm

you will find portable solutions that will actually work from Maxx
Digital, Small Tree, ProMax and EditShare. All of these solutions will start around $8000.

Your Drobo 5D is about $1500. So what can you get for $1500 that will let you do shared storage between 2 or more computers, and actually play back HD video from 2 or more computers at the same time - NOTHING. Not from Drobo, not from QNAP, not from Synology, not from Netgear. While Drobo makes nothing that will work for you, QNAP, Synology, and Netgear ALL have solutions that will work, and all of their solutions start at $8000 as well. "But I just saw a QNAP on Newegg for $2200 - won't that one work?" -

NO !

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:37:33 pm

[Bob Zelin] "you will find portable solutions that will actually work from Maxx
Digital, Small Tree, ProMax and EditShare. All of these solutions will start around $8000."


Thank you Bob.

David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.com

Sales | Integration | Support

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 8:36:42 pm

ProMAX Platform Studio is our shared storage solution for 2 to 4 editors. It even has a handle on the back of the chassis for portability.

If you or any others here on te Cow want to know more, contact me offline and I'll be happy to help you.

David Roth Weiss
ProMax Systems
Burbank
DRW@ProMax.com

Sales | Integration | Support

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.


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Rainer Wirth
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 10:09:59 pm

David has got the best solution,
otherwise you need at least a mac mini server, san network, a SAS Raid (minimum) plus FC/SAS to thunderbolt connection with each Mac book attached to your data storage server.
I would do it this way:
One Raid5 main storage for your footage. Second (mirror) storage on another Raid5 device.
Editing people grab the footage from this desktop device (each of them).

cheers

Rainer

factstory
Rainer Wirth
phone_0049-177-2156086
Mac pro 8core
Adobe,FCP,Avid
several raid systems


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Bob Zelin
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 18, 2013 at 11:54:59 pm

what I find frustration about so many of these posts (and it's getting worse and worse) is that "professional editors" want to spend ZERO on everything, including their shared storage environment.
I am looking right now at the B&H Photo website for the Drobo 5N with 10 TB of storage. It's $1134. So this editor says to himself (and his staff) - "hey we can do shared storage for $1134. Well - no you can't.

I received a private email from someone in France today, that tried to build a shared storage system for his company, and is using the
Netgear ReadyNAS 312, which is a 2 drive system that costs $619.
I responded, realizing that he would not like to hear what it costs to build an actual working system, so I sent him information on a REAL Netgear ReadyNAS (the 4200) that would actually work, but of course, it was 20 times his budget.

So, no matter how rude, and how insulting, and how informative we may be on this forum, the next post will be "hey, I can build a complete shared storage system for under 700 bucks". Well, no you can't. And this is no different from the guy that will soon say "I am trying to edit RED 4K dpx files on my Mac Book Air, and it keeps crashing". Now, do you just shoot people like this, or ignore them ?

Bob Zelin

Bob Zelin
Rescue 1, Inc.
maxavid@cfl.rr.com


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Alex Gerulaitis
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 19, 2013 at 12:09:32 am

[Bob Zelin] "And this is no different from the guy that will soon say "I am trying to edit RED 4K dpx files on my Mac Book Air, and it keeps crashing". Now, do you just shoot people like this, or ignore them ? "

Every minute, a new such person is born. They can quickly calculate that the BOM on a Linux box capable of 4-6 80MB/s streams on 8-16 spindles could be as low as $3K diskless. They will hit the forums, find people who actually tried it and maybe even succeeded, and then they will come to you expecting a solution at the same price point - but not $10K. I don't know what to do with them - If you figure it out, let me know... :)


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Tim Ward
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 19, 2013 at 3:39:52 pm

Josh, the Small Tree TitaniumZ-5 is the original mobile video editing shared storage solution. You can find a video at http://www.small-tree.com featuring Walter Biscardi talking about the TitaniumZ-5. You can reach us directly by emailing salesteam@small-tree.com

Tim Ward
Small Tree Communications
http://www.small-tree.com


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Kevan O'Brien
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 19, 2013 at 5:08:33 pm

Josh,

You really need a dedicated shared storage and project environment to make your job work efficiently in the manner you describe with at least two clients. Project sharing and media sharing at a sustained and manageable rate is not trivial and hence why these systems cost considerably more than the Drobo.

May I draw your attention to the following post http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/305/260 where an EditShare system called a Field 2 is described which would fulfill your requirements. Not only does it support shared storage of media, but also project sharing for Premiere Pro as well as media management.

Feel free to contact me, kevano@editshare.com , and I can arrange a web demo of the EditShare environment working with Premiere Pro and address any further questions you may have.

Kevan O'Brien
Senior Workflow Specialist
EditShare


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Rainer Wirth
Re: Mobile Shared Storage Options
on Jun 20, 2013 at 11:58:55 pm

It's all nice tries,

in the end it is just a nice idea to get shared storage to no budget conditions.
It belongs to the myth of fairy tails, grandma told us before we got to bed.
End of line: Either you spend some bucks for shared storage, if not there is no shared storage.

cheers

Rainer Wirth

factstory
Rainer Wirth
phone_0049-177-2156086
Mac pro 8core
Adobe,FCP,Avid
several raid systems


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