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Bob Sacramento
Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 29, 2011 at 3:49:57 pm

Is it possible to go from 1 hard drive to RAID 1 (add another hard drive) without formatting?


I have a Windows 7 desktop system with OCZ 120GB SSD drive and I have added 1TB drive for Data storage ( movies/music/pictures).
I keep having to back up my pictures and movies and I wish I had set up my system as 2x 1TB drives with Raid 1 config.
Now I actually want to do this... but I don't want to start fresh and re-install everything. Can I just add 1 more 1TB drive and set up the system as Raid 1 ? or is it absolutely necessary to do a clean install ?


My motherboard is p67 chip and it supports Raid 0-1-5-10.

Here is my desktop specs if you need it:
GIGABYTE GA-P67A-UD3-B3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with USB3.0 and supports 2nd gen i5 chip http://www.gigabyte.com/products/p [...] id=3765#ov
Latest Intel 2nd generation i5 2500k "unlocked" 3.30GHz (auto overclocks to 3.7)
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro Rev.2 92mm
ADATA 8GB PC1600 DDR3 ram (altho the mobo and cpu hold the ram to 1333)
OCZ 120GB SSD SATA 3.0GBs solid state drive 250MBps read 250MBps write
Samsung 1TB SATA 3.0GBs 7200rpm internal drive
(Will add 1 more Samsung 1TB Sata drive to make raid 1)
Asus 24X dvd burner
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ500MXSP 500W
Antec P183 case w upper/lower chamber. 11 expansion bays. great air flow
Windows 7 x64


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David Roth Weiss
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 29, 2011 at 4:35:40 pm

[Bob Sacramento] "Is it possible to go from 1 hard drive to RAID 1 (add another hard drive) without formatting? "

No!


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Todd Perchert
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 29, 2011 at 5:29:29 pm

No, but you don't need to do a clean install. You have 2 controllers on that mobo. Backup your files, because you will need to format your 1TB data drive - any data on it will be wiped out. Place the SSD on the SATA 6G, place the 2x1TB drives on the other SATA (3g) controller. You'll probably need to go into the BIOS and tell it to set that controller to RAID. You should then be able to create the array from the controller BIOS when booting up, or software after you boot up.
If you're not sure about anything, get someone who knows what they are doing to help or pay. Reading the manual will help as well.
Good Luck!
TC


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 30, 2011 at 4:33:57 pm

i made an external copy of the data on the 2nd disk.
then i set the the PCH SATA Control Mode to be RAID in BIOS.

then i rebooted and i saw a new raid configuration menu that you can open with CTRL+I.

i entered it and i configured raid for port 4 and port 5 of my 2 disks to be RAID 1. (Ports 0&1 are sata3, ports 2,3,4,5 are sata2).

then i exited and rebooted. upon reboot, it tries to load windows.. shows the logo screen for a second.. then blue screen for a split second and then just dies and restarts.

i noticed during bios post and when it prints the disks and its rain info. it shows my port 0 (SSD) drive is also using raid driver.
it also said ACHI driver not installed.
then it lists all my drives
then it tries to load windows and fails.

Any idea what I'm doing wrong here?


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Todd Perchert
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 30, 2011 at 4:50:53 pm

Sounds like it could be using all the SATA ports in the RAID. Should be able to switch back to non-RAID and boot up. But make sure first that it is indeed set in BIOS to try booting from that SSD drive before any other drives.
But, and I just thought of this... when selecting the RAID in the BIOS, it may have switched your port with the SSD drive to AHCI, try changing that to IDE.
TC


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 30, 2011 at 7:08:48 pm

so changing to RAID def sets it to use AHCI.

I reset my raids to non-raid.
set the controller to be IDE
restarted and was able to get into windows.

i looked up installing AHCI on my motherboard, i downloaded the install and read the install instructions, it says to hit F6 during windows install to install ahci drivers.. but i already have a system.

anyway i rebooted the machine and set the controller to be AHCI.
Now when i boot it says that AHCI is installed. ... i havnt installed anything though..so I'm confused there


http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3765#dl
SATA RAID Version Size Date Download Here
Intel SATA Preinstall driver
(For AHCI / RAID Mode)
Note: Press F6 during Windows setup to read from floppy.

10.6.0.1002 0.39 MB 2011/06/22 Asia China America Europe Europe(Russia) : FTP / Http


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 30, 2011 at 7:52:22 pm

okay i am closer to solving it.
i found this while googling the fact that i had blue screen of death when switching from IDE to AHCI

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244840-32-convert-sata-ahci-vista

that pointed me to the microsoft KB article
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922976
which told me to modify registry

To resolve this issue yourself, enable the AHCI driver in the registry before you change the SATA mode of the boot drive. To do this, follow these steps:
Exit all Windows-based programs.
Click Start, type regedit in the Start Search box, and then press ENTER.
If you receive the User Account Control dialog box, click Continue.
Locate and then click one of the following registry subkeys:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Msahci
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\IastorV
In the right pane, right-click Start in the Name column, and then click Modify.
In the Value data box, type 0, and then click OK.
On the File menu, click Exit to close Registry Editor.


so I set the controller back to IDE, was able to get into windows
then i chagned the registry
then i rebooted and changed controller back to AHCI
then i was able to boot into Windows!

Now what i am doing is... installed IRST Intel Rapid Storage Technology, which is a prereq to having ahci drivers for my motherboard.


It still failed when set to use RAID.

I then googled more and found this.. if you scroll to bottom a guy has 3 screens up
http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/40484-ahci-bios-not-installed.html

Anyway i realized it says SATA native enabled for Ports 0-3. .. so maybe using ports 4&5 aren't such good idea.
So i put the drives to ports 2 &3.

Then it still failed.

I went to bios and set CMOS to factory
I updated my bios with q flash from the bios menu with a usb stick.

I went to bios and set CMOS to factory
then i set it to optimized.
then i set it to raid

then i rebooted and set my raid configuration to non disk, then again set it up for 2 disks.

then rebooted.

still windows crashes right when i see logo screen..


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Todd Perchert
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 30, 2011 at 10:58:33 pm

You may want to go back to where it worked. Should be able to software RAID those drives if anything. You may want to check with Gigabyte as to why it crashes when changing to AHCI. I had to change from IDE to AHCI before on a EVGA board, the process was a whole lot smoother...


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 31, 2011 at 4:21:58 am

Actually I am able to set the PCH Controller to AHCI now..
what i did was to insert the CD-ROM that came with the gigabyte motherboard and did express install of all the chipsets.
Now I can have all the drives connected and set the controller to AHCI.
On BIOS POST , i see it says AHCI BIOS installed now.


But as soon as I change the controller to RAID and enter the Raid configuration utility and create my 2 disks to be Raid... upon reboot it says AHCI BIOS not installed, and crashes when windows tries to boot


I am wondering if it is at all possible to have a system where 1 disk is used as the System disk and is NON RAID, and have 2 other disks to be set to RAID, which will be used for Data like pictures/music/movies.

Maybe its simple not possible to have a raid system where the main OS is not installed on a raid, but only the 'slave' drives are set to RAID.
Or am i wrong?


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 31, 2011 at 5:18:49 am

this is kind of related to the above post, but from all my reading in the "IntelĀ® Rapid Storage Technology" read me that i got from the gigabyte motherboard page, it seems like they want you to install the Raid controller/driver during Windows install.

So perhaps, you cannot start with a system that has Windows 7 already installed and try to setup raid on 2 other disks...

In my scenario, i am starting out with an install of windows 7 on ssd and adding 2 disks to be raid.
I think what the documentation wants me to do is install WIndows 7 and install raid controller right before windows 7 starts to install...


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 31, 2011 at 1:47:36 pm

I think I know why my OS is crashing...

I can get my OS to boot and all my disks to show up in AHCI mode..
But as soon as I set PCH Controller = RAID... it tries to boot ALL the drives with RAID controller, which makes sense why my OS would then crash.

I'll paste a screenshot here so you can see what the printout is from BIOS POST of all the drives when in RAID mode
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/2638/photo5q.png


I dont know where the settings live for setting the controller "per drive" or if its possible. Here is snapshot of choices in BIOS where I do set it... but it applies to ALL drives. You can see my choices are IDE/RAID/AHCI.
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8788/photo2y.png


Here is snapshot of when AHCI is enabled, and you can see all the drives post, then windows loads fine shortly after.
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9656/photo1y.png


Here is the snapshot of the Integrated Peripherals screen, you can see I set PCH Sata Control Mode to RAID, but its not per drive.. i think it affects all drives. I also have Sata Port0-3 Native Mode Enabled
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1757/photo3n.png


Here's screen shot of the Hard Disk Boot Priority
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9633/photo4m.png


So I guess the main thing for me is to try and figure out how to get my OS to load in AHCI, while having the other drives load with RAID Controller...
The problem is I havnt been able to find a Per Drive controller setting.

I want my system to be like so...
* 120GB SSD non-RAID (run by AHCI controller) (Windows7 is installed here)
* 1TB Samsung drive RAID-1 (run by RAID controller) (used only for data, pictures/movies)
* 1TB Samsung drive RAID-1 (run by RAID controller)(used only for data, pictures/movies)

and what is happening is that when i set my PCH Sata Control to be AHCI, ALL disks are run by AHCI controller and everythings works and windows loads.

and when i set my PCH Sata Control to be RAID, ALL disks are run by RAID controller and it tries to boot my OS by RAID controller and fails! This is because i never initially set my controller to be raid when installing Windows 7.

Any ideas?


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Todd Perchert
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 31, 2011 at 2:05:59 pm

It also sounds like the BIOS may want to include all the SATA ports into the RAID. I've run into mobos that did that and it was impossible to have the hardware control the RAID and have a single disk on the same controller - it just wouldn't do it. I would have guessed that with the 2 SATA III ports, they would be on a different controller. You could always set up as a software RAID as well. The performance between the software and the hardware on the mobo won't be too dramatic.
Or you could go through a complete re-install. With all the time you put in now, you could've just as well.
TC


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Aug 31, 2011 at 3:25:59 pm

So without a doubt, I can always re-install windows. I know I have that option since I started the very first post here. The whole point to trying to get around the re-install is that I have 3 games and 3 big apps I've installed, not to mention all the other little apps you usually have and settings. And installing patches and updates.
I also don't want software raid, i knew i had that option before I began this post also. Right from windows 7, you can set both drives to be dynamic, and then configure RAID btw them.

Hardware raid is much better, and it would be even better if i didn't have to re-install windows.

WIth that said, I have created a ticket with gigabyte support telling them the exact situation... I guess i have to wait to hear from them.

But you are right.. what i am trying to do is have the following:
* 120 GB SSD drive with Pre-installed windows7 be configured non-RAID and run by AHCI controller
* 2x 1TB Samsung drive used for Data configured RAID-1 and run by RAID controller.
and it seems like my BIOS won't let me configure the controller "per drive". it just sets all of the drives to be run by RAID and the OS drive fails since it wasn't initially installed with Raid controller.


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Bob Sacramento
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Sep 1, 2011 at 6:10:40 pm

I just called gigabyte support cuz i got tired of waiting to hear answer back on the ticket. Apparently my mobo GA-P67A-UD3-B3 has only 1 chipset and controller. This means you can't have some drives on AHCI and some run by RAID. I'll have to reinstall win7. Another model the - The GA-P67X-UD3-B3 - for example has 2 chipsets , one intel and one marvell. Ports 0-5 run by intel, ports 6&7 run by marvell. if i had this i wouldn't have a problem. I'd just put the 2 raid drives on port 6&7.. and go.

I think they should make this very well known that if you ever plan to do RAID.. make sure to first install Windows with RAID. There are too many people having issues when trying to just switch the controller.

I'll have to set PCH Sata controller to RAID and reinstall windows7 and then ill be able to add the Raid drives.
OR i could do software raid, but i refuse


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Todd Perchert
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Sep 2, 2011 at 2:50:56 pm

I think it is idiotic to have 2 SATA 6g ports on the same controller as the SATA 3g ports. But, I've seen strange things from Gigabyte... So when someone asks me, I usually tell them to go with another manufacturer.
But, good luck! I'm telling you, that hardware controller probably won't have much more performance than a software RAID anyways.
Better off with a decent card controller.
TC


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Fred Jodry
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Sep 13, 2011 at 3:01:23 pm

Bob, do it the easy way.
1. Step one, take your Windows boot drive, label it with a written on piece of tape and put it on the side (or duplicate it if you want a spare).
2. Step two, take the remaining (pair?) of drives, zero them out, label them too, then take them to a friend`s computer where firmware or good software awaits to prepare them for RAID formatting of the RAID type you need. Then do it and return. You can even prepare this RAID formatting of about- to- be- Windows drives on a Mac easily!
3. Step three, Take your boot drive and new RAID set and miscellaneous DVD drives and toss them back in. But if you have tape drives about to go back in leave them for a later step lest they get mixed into the hard drives RAID. Go to the BIOS and set it from IDE to AHCI. Use "My Computer?" in Windows to then reformat the RAID set from generically RAID to formatted for Windows and still RAID. The read descriptions on the monitor will usually mark the RAID set as a single drive unless you look closely. If this doesn`t work right away then move the cables order "willy nilly", scribble a few notes and try again. My motherboard seems to want to make early or low number or letter drives as RAID drives and later ones as the boot drive and other uses but the documentation and BIOS directions are feeble. Nonetheless do it. You might have to rename drive letters in "My Computer".


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Fred Jodry
Re: Win 7 go from 1 disk no raid to 2 disk raid1 w/o re-install?
on Sep 13, 2011 at 4:03:55 pm

- Actually since my directions are to pre-build the RAID externally instead of internally and reassemble, setting the BIOS from AHCI to IDE or IDE/SATA in step 3 should be easier.


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