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Bernard Borg
Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 16, 2011 at 11:18:32 pm

Hi all

I am sort of puzzled about which model I should go to

I primarily want an slr to abbot video with basically for Tv Broadcasts but also festivals and feature documentaries
I am aware that the best is the 5D mark ii being full frame but the model let's put it this way is quite old now. Also a tad over budget

What I was looking into was the 60d / 600d

Please advice

Also what about using 35mm glass i have some fast zuiko / zeiss primes are these good on an aps c sensor

Please illuminate me

Also another point what s this issue about hdmi monitoring dropping resolution whilst recording does this means it's sense less buying a preview monitor seeing that you are not getting the proper image sometimes producers want to see the clarity and textures


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Chris Wright
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 17, 2011 at 1:12:00 pm

gh2 can output hdmi 24 inside a wrapped 60i without too much degradation and is cheaper than the 5D mark ii. the t2i quality jumps down to sd when rec button is hit and the lcd screen turns off, lol.
and if you get a cheap SmallHD DP6 without zebras, the gh2's got built in zebras anyways. mo savings = mo happy, right?


gh2 fix as talked about here.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?237584-HDMI-Capture-Problem-SOLVED...

and if you turn off intelligent resolution and -2 sat, -2 sharpness, the gh2 makes some mighty nice 24p filmic pans. you can hack it with ptool to actual look better than canon 5d mark ii!

check it out on vimeo!
http://vimeo.com/groups/gh2/videos/33819723


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Bernard Borg
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 17, 2011 at 1:46:31 pm

What I'm worried about when it comes to the gh2 is the lenses and obviously the horrid crop factor of 2x that is already a pain to me my Olympus 510 and e3 pro

I would like to hear more tough even on the canons 600d 60d


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John Frey
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 17, 2011 at 5:14:15 pm

Our Panasonic Gh2 cameras had been our favorites until we purchased the just-released Sony SLT-A65. We have been testing it over the past 3 weeks and the results validate our purchase. Sony has used some new technology on this unit. It has a 24 megapixel APS-C sensor, implements the AVCHD 2.0 standard and will record stellar 1080 60p and 24p. It has a crop factor of 1.5, in-camera image stabilization, and will use all of the Sony and Minolta Alpha mount lenses. We picked up 4 additional excellent Minolta autofocus units via Craigslist locally for $150.00. This camera has an OLED viewfinder which is simply amazing - we do not have to use an add-on viewfinder loupe - it's that good! Also, the articulating viewfinder is the best one that I have experienced on a DSLR. In addition, this camera takes great stills! We got ours from B&H for $900.00, which included a pretty good 18-55mm kit lens. This camera is a little bigger than our GH2s, which for us, is a plus.

For an additional $500.00, you can purchase the slightly larger SLT-A77 which sports a weather-proof magnesium body, extra controls and several technical extras. Here is a link to a recent review.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta65/

John D. Frey
25 Year owner/operator of two California-based production studios.

Digital West Video Productions of San Luis Obispo and Inland Images of Lake Elsinore


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Bernard Borg
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 17, 2011 at 10:32:33 pm

Keep updating me please so I make an informed purchase to say it all I am impressed with the GH2 unhacked also the hacked is even better but stil unsure about the lens issue - surely the body doesnt matter because it will be all rigged up :)

still no illumination about the canon or nikon range :)


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Chris Wright
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 18, 2011 at 1:48:29 am

in video mode on the Sony SLT-A65, iso is maxed at 1600, compared to gh2's 3200. also, a65's AF mode in video is limited to F3.5.

the video quality is slightly better than the 7d, i'll give it that.


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Bernard Borg
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 18, 2011 at 8:35:26 am

Basically I am getting that the gh2 is the best camera for movies or I am getting it wrongly ? Still not shure about the gh2 hack and what it achieves and the lens system for the GH2

Also should I forget the 60d or the d7000?


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Jorden Mosley
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 18, 2011 at 5:47:53 pm

Before I bought the GH2, I worried about the crop factor and lens as well. But once I got it, it became a non-issue.

First, your not just limited to Panasonic lens. With the mount type of a gh2 (micro 4/3) its the most versatile mount out there. I'm currently using old Minolta AF lens with an adapter that has an aperture ring. The image quality is still great. We're talking about lens' that you could buy at a small fraction of the cost of modern lens. With an adapter you can mount so many variety of lens (new and old) from various manufacturers that you couldn't on a Canon with an adapter. That alone has saved me thousands of dollars.

Second, on paper the crop factor (1.6 vs 2.0) maybe be significant but in reality its not all that different. I got 28mm 2.8 (that's a close 50mm equivalent)that I use the very rarely. What I mostly use a 50mm 1.7, 70-210 4.0, and 14-42mm (kit lens that comes with the gh2) to cover all the kinds of shots I need, whether it be close ups, medium, portraits, or wide angle.

For a guy who was in your shoes not too long ago, I dodged a bullet in picking the gh2 over the 60D or T3i. For the work I do the very limited record time, moire, worst rolling shutter distortion, and cost of the lens would have forced me to get a gh2 down the road anyway.


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John Frey
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 18, 2011 at 6:16:17 pm

I fully agree. Our GH2 cameras have been great, and we use a variety of Olympus and Nikon manual lenses with them. We bought the Sony A65 as we need 1080 60p to match our other cameras on an action sports project that will be highlighting Slomo. The GH2 only does 720 60p. I would not be overly concerned about very high ISO settings. In the real video world, you will be needing proper lighting gear, so keep that in mind when budgeting for support equipment.

John D. Frey
25 Year owner/operator of two California-based production studios.

Digital West Video Productions of San Luis Obispo and Inland Images of Lake Elsinore


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Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 18, 2011 at 11:36:40 pm

The sensor in a GH2 is larger than most Micro Four Thirds cams, so when you switch the GH2's aspect ratio setting (stills & video) the angle of view for the lens stays the same. So, for example, the angle of view of a 20mm m43 lens on a GH2 is the same whether the cam is in 16:9 aspect mode or 3:2 aspect mode. This is a great feature of the camera.

Also, because the GH2's sensor is "oversize", when shooting HD video (16:9), the crop factor is x1.8, not x2.0, very similar to APS-C cams which typically have a x1.6 crop factor.

There are plenty of wide angle lenses available for use with the GH2 & other m43 cams.

I recently listed other nice capabilities of the GH2 in this post:
http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/280/7792

Cheers.

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http://www.peterdv.com


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Bernard Borg
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 19, 2011 at 6:39:32 am

So may I ask to get a clear picture of what are the specs
Of the GH2 hacked and standard because im having trouble to get proper specs for comparison also if someone can give me a good idea on how the camera behaves with using old glass as generally the optics of 35mm cameras were finer than today's

Also what about pro res is really the gh 2 able to output 4:2:3 to an external recorder


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Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Re: Getting into the DSLR scene
on Dec 19, 2011 at 8:04:24 pm

First, it's important to note that a stock GH2 from the factory can record quite nice-looking HD video as-is depending on the skill of the operator. No amount of firmware hacking or expensive external hardware can (completely) substitute for good shooting techniques, nor (completely) prevent or rescue badly-shot footage.

(As you may know, stabilizing a camera, lighting appropriately, having good acting/subject/writing/directing/sound material to work is typically _much_ more important than the choice of camera.)

As for your questions:

Panasonic's specs for the GH2, including its video recording formats, are on their website:
http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gh2/specifications.html

Panasonic's just-released official _v1.1_ firmware update for the GH2 is described on their website. It adds several useful improvements & new features:
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/download/fts/index2.html

... See also my post about it here:
http://www.cinematography.com/index.php?showtopic=48216&view=findpost&p=362...

The best starting point to learn about the current (3.63) version of Vitaliy Kiselev's PTool software hack for the GH2's original _v1.0_ firmware is his website. I strongly recommend going straight to the source for info about his PTool software:
http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/1375/ptool-v3.63d-topic

For info about the latest end-user settings ("patches") for use with PTools, this thread is kept up-to-date:
http://www.personal-view.com/talks/discussion/953/gh2-patch-vault-most-popu...

Note: Vitaliy hasn't yet hacked Panasonic's new v1.1 firmware (it's only been available for a few days), but that shouldn't be an issue since you can update the cam's firmware back & forth (between the original v1.0, or the new v.1.1, or a hacked copy of v1.0 via PTools) without a problem. Folks have done this hundreds of times w/o incident (I've done it dozens of times).

Concerning lenses: There are good & bad characteristics of both new and old lenses, and there can be visible differences in copies of the _same_ model lens. Many excellent old lenses are available, and there are also some truly awful modern lenses, and vise versa! There's "lots" of info about this topic online. That's "lots", as in near infinite. I get great results using new Panasonic Lumix lenses and also several 45+ yr. old Nikon SLR lenses from KEH.com via an inexpensive Nikon-to-m43 adapter made by Fotodiox. YMMV.

As for recording the GH2's live 8-bit 4:2:0 HDMI output to an external device: Although the GH2's 1080p HDMI video output can be set to be "clear" (uncluttered by icons or text) -- great for live monitoring -- for technical reasons recording the signal externally can be inappropriate for general use. There's a l-o-n-g detailed thread on this topic at the following link, including a not-for-novices software post-production workaround:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?237584-HDMI-Capture-Problem-SOLVED...

Users of the most advanced, high data-rate PTool hack settings (especially the latest "Driftwood" patches) report results almost indistinguishable from recordings made via the HDMI output with an external recorder. YMMV.

And, yes, you have a lot of reading to do. ;-)

Cheers!

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http://www.peterdv.com


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