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Ben Edwards
Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 10:57:48 am

Hi, I am looking for a way of using my mics with my Canon 550D. I have several XLR microphones. I will be using Magic-lantern to turn of the camera preamps . So what I need it something with XLR connectors, preamps and a headphone output. I have found the following candidates:

BeackTek DXA-SLA - http://www.beachtek.com/dxaslr.html
Juiced Link DT454 - http://www.juicedlink.com/audio-preamps-mixers-etc-c-66/jl-cx231

There is also a 4 XLR Juiced Link that sounds interesting. I guess you must have to balance some of the signals ive as there are only 2 outputs. As there are not proper individual EQ meters this sounds like a bad idea.

Have people had experience with these, what do they reckon? Is there other solutions I should consider?

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Ben

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Noah Kadner
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 3:13:50 pm

I'd also consider adding this to the mix-

http://www.sounddevices.com/products/mixpre-d.htm

Noah

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Ben Edwards
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 3:22:09 pm

Looks really nice but costs around the same as the camera;). The other two are both around $300. If I need something top end I would hire. Just for my own projects/non broadcast.

I know the original Betchbox was used by the BBC so I am inclined to go for the beatchtek solution.

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Noah Kadner
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 3:29:27 pm

I've heard very conflicting reviews- some are saying that the Juicelink has quieter preamps than the Beachtek. That said I've noticed the finish/ergonomics are better on the Beachtek. Bottom line is either of those devices would do the job well for what you're looking for.

I only threw in the Sound Devices because not only is it way better pre amps than either but it also gives you a USB connection so you can connect XLR mics directly to a computer for high quality recording. But if it's only for camera direct work- you'll be good to go with the other 2.

Noah

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Ben Edwards
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 4:02:55 pm

Just had a look at the Jucelink website and it does not look like the juicedLink CX231 or the non phantom power version has headphone socket. So I guess its the Beacchtek one.

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Jason Jenkins
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 4:26:24 pm

Ben,

I'm a big fan of the JuicedLink DT454. Very clean preamps and excellent customer service. Check out this thread for more info and a sample video: http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/280/5967

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Brent Dunn
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 6:11:31 pm

I haven't used the Beachtek, but I've read comments about loosing some of your bottom end on the audio.

Why not use a zoom H4N recorder? It has XLR's and you can patch it into your camera while recording a higher quality audio directly on the zoom.

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Ben Edwards
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 6:28:35 pm

Is this the only one that allows monitoring through headphones?

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Noah Kadner
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 6:58:04 pm

Yeah I was going to say- double system sound gives you a lot better quality and simpler connection. At a cost of having to sync dailies in post- just like any real movie shot on film...

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Jason Jenkins
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 8:36:28 pm

[Noah Kadner] "Yeah I was going to say- double system sound gives you a lot better quality and simpler connection. At a cost of having to sync dailies in post- just like any real movie shot on film..."

Technically, it's better quality--but if you can't hear the difference does it matter? Mic, mic placement, preamps and recording environment are going to have a much bigger impact on the end result than the file format.

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Noah Kadner
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 6, 2011 at 10:55:31 pm

True but some of these cameras are truly awful in terms of their internal pre amps and circuitry and you will hear a difference. Here's some more detailed analysis:

http://inventorspot.com/articles/clearing_noise_part_i_shortfalls_capturing...

http://www.studiodaily.com/blog/?p=3582

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Ben Edwards
Re: Juiced Link DT454 vs BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR for DSLR
on May 8, 2011 at 2:35:58 pm

I totally agree, I did the tests myself. My hearing is not very good and the preamps even at low levels made the sound rubbish. I used Magiclantern to turn them off and did the tests with a Senhhizer radio mic which pushes out a hotter enough signal that the preamps are not needed. So it was a like for like test.

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Ben Edwards
JuicedLink DT454, BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR may be answer
on Sep 26, 2011 at 11:21:05 am

Had anyone used the BeachTek, it turns out the juicedlink has a major design fault that makes it close to useless for me. The two stereo channels are combined to one mono channel which is played in both headphone cups! I therefore can not monitor lav and boom separately while recording interviews. I have not jet been able to clarify if BeachTek does proper stereo monitoring.

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Ben Edwards
Re: JuicedLink DT454, BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR may be answer
on Nov 26, 2011 at 11:00:04 am

I ended up getting the BeachTek. I have just borrowed a Jucedlink from a friend. The BeachTek pushes out a higher level. In Magic Lantern I need to turn audio gain up all the way (32dB) for Jucedlink but for BeachTek I can leave it at 17dB. I have a broadcast sound recordists coming round Friday to do some full tests but having to use extra in camera gain is a bad sign.

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inanc tekguc
Re: JuicedLink DT454, BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR may be answer
on Jun 20, 2013 at 2:40:49 pm

hi Ben... It's definitely been a while, but I was wondering if you're still around to tell about your experience with Beachtek. I am putting together a photo/video kit for a non-profit NGO and sound is naturally part of the deal I should pay attention to.

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Ben Edwards
Re: JuicedLink DT454, BeachTek DXA-SLA XLR may be answer
on Jun 20, 2013 at 4:24:11 pm

It works well. The phantom power thing is a bit of a red herring, it sounds like a good idea but phantom power flatters batteries very fast (seem to remember having to use more than on in a morning, without phantom power the batteries last days). The main issues are not having level meters (Green light flashes when you have got a reasonable signal and goes read when you peek) and there is no limeter. As the level leds are crude a limeter is even more useful. If you have the money I would go for the Pro version.

The other question is do you really need XLR balanced inputs, if not the DXA-SLR MINI is a great option (5 segment level indicator and limiter).

Let me know what the rest of the kit is and budget and I will have a think.

Lastly DSLRs may not be the best option, I came across this recently, it sounds excellent - http://thevideowhisperer.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/pure-frickin-magic-sony-h....

Lastly who is using the camera, if ti is for general use the NX30, or even an alternative camcorder is a much better option.

Ben

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