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Peter DeCrescenzo
Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 7:43:34 am

FYI: UrbanFox provides some of the 1st photos of the AF100 working prototype "engineering samples" now at the IBC expo in Amsterdam:
http://urbanfoxtv.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-panasonic-af100af101.html

I expect more info will be available on Panasonic's various websites very soon ...
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/af100/index.html
http://www.panasonic-broadcast.com/en/news/archive.php?we_objectID=4037
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/index.html
http://panasonic.net/news/topics/

Stay tuned!


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 3:25:42 pm

Cool! AJA has announced a new $2K Ki Pro _MINI_ version of their portable ProRes recorder (use it with the AF100, etc.) at the IBC expo!:
http://www.aja.com/news/index_article.php?id=125


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 4:29:33 pm

Barry Green reports his initial impressions (very positive, no surprise) of the AF100 prototype he's been using at the IBC:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=222673


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Michael Sacci
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 6:14:34 pm

That is great, I think this camera with ProRes capture is going to be the winner in 2011. This maybe the camera I go into debt to get. 10-bit 4:2:2, real audio inputs, feels and acts like a video camera, shallow depth of feel. I think I would pay 10-12K for a complete system.


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 6:37:08 pm

Hi Michael: Panasonic isn't expected to release final pricing info for the AF100 series cams until later today, but it's generally expected to sell for considerably less than the "complete system" numbers you mention in your post.

Also, compared to most video-capable DSLRs, the AF100 looks to be a fairly complete solution unto itself. For example, other than your choice of lens, you won't need to acquire most of the add-ons typically required to make a DSLR efficient for pro shooting. The AF100 has many of those capabilities built-in (e.g.: fairly robust codec built-in, hi-res VF & LCD, 2 XLR audio inputs & live headphone monitoring, live uncompressed HD-SDI & HDMI outputs, ease & low cost of adapting lenses to the m4/3 mount, genlock & TC I/O, and so forth).

The proof will be in the pudding. Hopefully the video quality of the final shipping production units will be a very good value for the price. There's lots of reason to believe it will be. We shall see.


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Michael Sacci
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 9:15:35 pm

Well the Ki Pro mini is 2k, I'm sure lenses will be a couple of 2K to get fully stock and then there are extra batteries, mobile power for the Ki, probably will still need a should brace for handheld, a monitor for sticks, and or course a case, etc. I think you can normally expect to outfit a camera system for twice the cost of a camera. Of course this ratio goes sky-high the cheaper the camera gets. My Z-Finder is 1/2 the price of my DSLR, I still shake my head when I think of that, but I wouldn't be without the Z-Finder.

There is always stuff to buy :-). But yes there is a lot less stuff, and some of our DSLR gear such come over nicely, like a follow focus.

But to me in a professional camera you really need a 4:2:2 color space, and if you can get 10-bit all the better. Opens up even simple color correcting with FCP 3-way but even better if you finish in Color or the like. The codec is a step in the right direction but it is the biggest disappoint I see with the camera. 4:2:0 long GOP is not what I want. I will gladly pay the 2K to have the ability to by-pass the in-camera codec. This not to say the codec is bad or cannot be worked with, but I think adding 1k to the price of the camera to record on P2 using AVC-Intra would be more inline with a Professional camera. This bridges the gap between professional and prosumer.

Hope you realize I'm not knocking the camera, I'm really excited about this camera and it is going to the next one I buy. Probably will sell my HVX200 to help pay for it. But like everything less it is not a prefect fit. But it is a pretty one.


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 9:24:00 pm

Panasonic has posted an IBC expo page for the AF100 including some "dis-assembly" photos showing a few ways the cam body itself can be configured:
http://blog.panasonic-broadcast.com/ibc-product-highlights/ag-af101/


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 10, 2010 at 11:05:08 pm

An update from UrbanFox:
http://urbanfoxtv.blogspot.com/2010/09/new-panasonic-af100af101.html

"UPDATE: Now we've had a chance to see the pictures [the AF100 prototype] can produce, we're even more impressed. Someone from Panasonic in Germany shot a performance/theatre piece, with lots of nice shallow depth of field, and not a lot to trouble the codec. But, the pictures looked very filmic, there was no video harshness, the colours appeared to be very accurate. It was restrained, not flat, but not in your face. More interestingly, they'd given the camera to the ebullient Barry Green, of http://www.dvxuser.com, who had tried it on some of the pictures that normally cause aliasing on DSLRs, repeating patterns such as roof tiles and brickwork, and we didn't notice any aliasing at all - and on a big screen we would have. Although recording 24Mbps AVCHD does involve a lot of compression, the pictures stood up very well. Certainly, with the advantage of the AF101's HD-SDI output, being able to record to the Convergent Design nanoFlash, AJA's new Ki Pro Mini or Panasonic's own external AVC-I recorders, means that the codec choice shouldn't be a worry - just that you'll have to spend more on the extra recorder."

Also, Barry Green has been updating this thread throughout the day. Lots of good info there:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=222673

Any CreativeCOW folks at IBC?


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John Frey
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 12:01:48 am

For those of us who purchased Panasonic GH1s with their array of Micro 4/3 lenses, a body-only AF100 might just be the next step!

John D. Frey
25 Year owner/operator of two California-based production studios.

Digital West Video Productions of San Luis Obispo and Inland Images of Lake Elsinore


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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 1:03:35 pm

SOLD !!!

My only problem with this camera since i've seen it at NAB is the codec. BUT, Panasonic could not put AVC intra in ti because it would totally cannibalize their higher model cameras, so that is understandable.
AF100 + Ikan VX9 (which i just ordered) + KiPro Mini or Atomos Ninja (http://atomos.com/) + my Nikkor lenses (which i love) + i have PL Lenses at my disposal + My Micro Matte box and i think i'm cookin'.

But that atomos ninja is a nice addition tho. My only grouse is that i want VFR in the Ki Pro/Ninja /whatever i'm using which it seems is not available yet.

If you do TV Alot like me this is a full RED kit

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 1:26:31 pm

By the way, what are the battery requirements for the camera? Does it use the same batteries as the HVX 200?

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
in the Caribbean
http://www.bistt.com


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 4:45:56 pm

Re: batteries, see:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=222785


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 4:49:15 pm

Video walk-through by European Technical Product Manager at Panasonic Europe, Luc Bara, gives insights on the Panasonic AF101 camera, global premiere from Panasonic at IBC 2010:






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Michael Sacci
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 9:03:51 pm

Did they announce the official price?

I one spec I have seen batted around by Barry is 1080@60p, but that is not how it is listed on Panasonic's site, it has 59.94i, does anyone know if it is 60p but recorded as segmented frames. That would be amazing if gives you a true progressive image at 60p for some amazing slomo.


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 10:29:21 pm

I don't believe worldwide pricing has been announced yet.

One of their press releases says "tentative RRP of 4,900 euro. Excl. VAT":
http://www.panasonic-broadcast.com/en/news/archive.php?we_objectID=4084

Barry addresses similar questions here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100579&postcount=136
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100580&postcount=137

Note that list prices for each region are affected by many factors so you shouldn't do a simple currency conversion to your own local currency. I suspect we'll hear final list pricing for the US & other countries before the cam ships by the end of this year.


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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 11, 2010 at 11:39:15 pm

Hmm:

I already have Batteries for my HVX200 , was hoping they would work. sucks. but it seems the batteries used by the HMC150 are just shorter.

Gives the same 7.2V but at 2500mAh as opposed to 5400mAh for the HVX battery but i seems the battery connections are the same. which means i can use the same charger to charge the battery. there fore i wont have to buy alot of these batteries as i can use my other batteries to power my Ikan vx9 which has a Panasonic mount and even if they die i can use one of the new batteries.
Correct me if im wrong.

Cool so im forgetting about that DSLR thing and getting one of these

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
in the Caribbean
http://www.bistt.com


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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 12, 2010 at 2:35:19 am

One Question about the Ki Pro Mini.

Im sure you will get the KI Mini to timecode sync with the camera you are using in addition to video and embedded audio, but what about recording trigger. Will that be done via SDI/HDMI as well or will there be a different way to do it or will i have to press record on the Ki Pro box ?

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
in the Caribbean
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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 12, 2010 at 4:04:27 pm

Here's another video walk-through demo of the AF100 prototype (in German). Includes some close-ups of dials, switches, menus on the LCD, etc.:

http://www.videoaktiv.de/Praxis+Technik/CAMCORDER-Hintergrundinfo/Video-Vor...

Concerning the quality of the AF100-shot video shown towards the end of the demo, please remember that this camera is an engineering prototype, according to Panasonic only "70%" complete. See:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100476&postcount=111
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2100932&postcount=187


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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 12, 2010 at 6:25:35 pm

Peter
You are a wealth of information, you should actually start your own Website and make yourself some money reporting on industry matters seems you love it.

I expect this camera to be in the 6k USD range, just like Jan said at NAB. So my toss up would be an AF-100 + ki pro mini (8k) or a RED SCarlet (lord knows the price or release date) plus extra modules for it.

I do not consider the AF100 a replacement for my HVX200 as the AF would never be used for ENG or simple shoots like that.
i dismantle my HVX from the letus from time to time to do simple stuff or even green screen to get sharper images. This is as strange a dynamic for me as the DSLR's , i like em but i will never buy it because a bigger better version will come along soon.

Case in point Af100. RED is a more robust platform right now, RAW images less compression cinematic feel its all there.
but i want prores, dont wanna render down anything so it will work in FCP, or do i switch to PPro, ki pro mini will do.

Arguments for and against are welcome

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
in the Caribbean
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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 12, 2010 at 7:42:08 pm

Thanks, Nigel.

Just in the interest of full disclosure: I’m a satisfied end-user Panasonic GH1 owner, and I bought my GH1 retail. I'm also a user of the free PTool3 ("GH1 firmware hack") software. I’ve not been compensated in any way by manufacturers of these products to use or discuss any of these products. (And if I was I'd proudly say so.)

Believe me, when Sony, Canon, Nikon, etc. also announce or ship compelling products that push my buttons (in a good way), I'll happily discuss them, too. I ain't no Panasonic fan boy. :-)

Good shooting everyone!


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 13, 2010 at 3:34:30 am

Panasonic has published some additional spec info for the AF100 (click menu in upper left corner for more):
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/af100/feature02.html


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Michael Sacci
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 13, 2010 at 4:51:16 pm

[Peter DeCrescenzo] " I ain't no Panasonic fan boy. :-)"
Sure you are. :-)

But that is fine, there is nothing wrong with that. What you are bring here is great info. THIS is one exciting camera! I'm more excited about this than I am the Alexis (simply because the Alexis is totally out of my league price wise.) This camera is so in the right direction.

Keep the info and the excitement coming.


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Nigel Thompson
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 13, 2010 at 5:04:32 pm

Totally agree with Michael.

Nothing wrong with that. Just wanted to give you a business idea that just might work in this age of constant info.

And yes the camera is a step in the right direction. My only grouse, because ive had experience with RED, is lack of higher quality images. which of course can be circumvented with a ki pro mini.

My next question is when is the RED scarlet going to be released and whats the real price point, God alone knows that. Im actually thinking of waiting till years end to make a final decision and get myself a nice Christmas present.

HVX200, RED ONE, FCS and more,
High End, Production & Post Production
in the Caribbean
http://www.bistt.com


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 15, 2010 at 4:45:53 pm

Barry Green gives a detailed, 8-min. video walk-through of the AF100 prototype camera at IBC (in English):






Watch it in glorious 1080p "HD" on YouTube.

The Birger electronic lens mount adapter (for use with Canon EOS lenses) he refers to in the video is discussed here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=223126

More AF100 info here ...
http://blog.panasonic-broadcast.com/category/day-5/

... and way more info here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=213

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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 16, 2010 at 11:19:11 pm

UrbanFox has produced a 20-min. interview with Jan Crittenden Livingston, Panasonic's Broadcast & TV Systems product manager, discussing the new AF100 series cam at IBC:


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 22, 2010 at 10:33:56 pm

Jan Crittendon Livingston (Panasonic US broadcast product manager) has confirmed the US list price for the AF100 will be $4,995:
http://twitter.com/JanCrittenden/status/25117867556


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David Speace
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Sep 21, 2010 at 6:51:03 pm

This camera is going to be a real eye opening game changer! However, not to be too stupid about this... I think Panasonic is missing the boat if they don't provide a standard video style lens that has a motorized zoom and at least a 1.8 f-stop! A lot of people are going to gravitate to this camera and then they find out it is really tedious to operate the lens manually, to change lenses frequently or have to pick up the camera and move it to frame their shots... it will take longer to shoot scenes and video shooters aren't used to working this way! No doubt, we are going to see documentaries shot with this camera where the filmmaker has to zoom manually... a throwback to 60's style documentaries...you know a 16mm film camera with an Angenieux 12-75mm zoom that has a little pin sticking out that the camera operator can push on to zoom the lens. Oh, the kit lens doesn't have a little pin sticking out for the purpose of doing a manual zoom ... even Sony's Z7 camera with it's Zeiss lens has a little pin! And don't forget, does the kit lens have proper back focus? Of course, everyone thinks that only "filmmakers" are going to buy this camera! And finally, the kit lens has a motor that operates the autofocus, well maybe a second motor could be inside the lens to operate the zoom ... attached to a lanc connector... and easily operated by the filmmaker! Okay, I'll stop being stupid now!

Dave Speace
Producer/Director/DP
DZP Video

Premiere Pro CS3
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James Sapione
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Oct 15, 2010 at 2:06:51 pm

I totally agree with David. Everything about the Panasonic af100 sounds fantastic to me - EXCEPT - the motorized zoom control. If I don't have it - well that's another game changer for me too....which swings me back to the Sony EX3 /EX1. I shoot a lot of concerts and need nice smooth motion in and out.

Does anyone know if there will be a compatible zoom lens? I can't believe Panasonic would leave this out!!!!


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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Oct 15, 2010 at 3:37:35 pm

The 4/3" sensor in the AF100 has slightly more than 4 times the area of a 2/3" sensor, and more than 6 times the area of a 1/2" sensor. Typically, the larger the sensor a lens has to cover w/o vignetting, the more it costs.

Motorized servo-zoom lenses are typically parfocal (they hold focus as the focal length varies), so they cost more than non-parfocal zooms, such as most DSLR zooms.

A parfocal, servo-zoom lens that covers the full m4/3 sensor will probably be very expensive; possibly far more than the cost of the camera body itself. Obviously the more a less costs, there will be fewer customers who will buy it.

If the AF100 proves popular it's likely at least one lens manufacture will eventually offer a parfocal, servo-zoom lens for 4/3".

However, given the cost of designing & producing such a lens, and the relative small initial size of the market, they may choose to wait to see how many they might sell before taking that gamble.

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Peter DeCrescenzo
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Oct 15, 2010 at 3:48:42 pm

FYI: Some really nice, professionally-shot AF100 prototype footage has been posted by Matt Meikle, Yves Simard, Joe Lawry & crew.

In addition to the production notes on the Vimeo pages below, the crew also discusses the footage here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?225794-Panasonic-AF101-Footage

(The first version shown below is the most recent cut of the footage.)

Watch the "HD" version with Vimeo's scaling feature turned off:



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Lance Bachelder
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Oct 15, 2010 at 8:02:43 pm

Must say the footage looks outstanding. This camera with proper lenses and a quality outboard recorder like the new AJA KI PRO MINI should be a great combo for indie filmmakers - I know I wanna give it a try.

Lance Bachelder
Southern California



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Lance Bachelder
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Oct 15, 2010 at 8:15:01 pm

Sounds like you really need an ENG style camera for your work - I don't see the AF100 as an ENG camera but more of a cinema camera - which means manual lenses etc.

I'm sure as the camera mount gains popularity someone like Fuji could release an ENG style lens for the mount. But don't think anyone has ever made one for anything larger than 2/3" chips. May be cost prohibitive?

Lance Bachelder
Southern California



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Matt Gottshalk
Re: Panasonic AF100 at IBC expo
on Nov 2, 2010 at 1:52:35 am

The same people who ask for a servo video lens that would actually cover the m4/3 sensor would crap their collective pants at the price such a lens would command.

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24P HD Production and Post
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