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Sascha Engel
Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 6:48:41 pm

I am going to edit soon a feature film, shot on the D7.
Before I just did post for the P2 / Panasonic and the EX1 / Sony - so, I know, how to log&transfer footage with those systems.
How do I do all the Log&Transfer bits with the DSLR Gear?
About the sound I informed myself already here on the COW and heard about the software that makes it easier to get the Audio & Video back together, but about the Capturing process I have no idea.
Help would be very appreciated!

Thanx a lot!

Sascha


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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 7:37:33 pm

D7? What camera is that? Probably you're in Nikon-land...

Anyway, perhaps you can consider giving Adobe OnLocation a try. It lets you add metadata to the footage which will be read out in PPro or AE, while also perform rough cuts of the footage.

See this recent episode of Adobe TV: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/short-and-suite/creating-a-rough-cut-with-onlocat...

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 7:42:03 pm

No, it's the Canon D7 with a special adapter and film lenses connected to it.
I will check the app you mentioned, but for now it will not help me - I am editing in FCP.

Sascha


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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 7:47:09 pm

I believe it's the Canon 7D, not D7. Nikon sells cameras like the D3... ;-)

Anyway, like many other editors these days, you might consider a switch to CS5 - gives you the benefit of having tight integration (AE, PS, AI) and 64-bit coupled with the Mercury Playback Engine, which works like a charm for DSLR footage...

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00:23 pm

Sounds great, and I might switch to CS5 in the near future, but my editing software still is FCP.
And there I have no clue how to Log&Transfer the - yes you are right - 7D Canon Footage.


Sascha


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Andrew David Clark
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:09:37 pm

Plural Eyes for syncing audio and video. Check out this guys site, he's sort of the Guru of this DSLR stuff and you can get discounts through his site:
http://philipbloom.net/2009/11/14/20-the-amazing-plug-in-pluraleys-for-1-mo...

I think there is a Canon plug in to help you get footage in to your Mac. Then you need to transcode to Pro Res. All the info is on his site somewhere so check his blogs.

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:33:03 pm

Thanx, I will check it out!


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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:09:49 pm

Likewise for me, since I have been an Adobe adept ever since they bought Cool Edit Pro (I have a background in audio after expanding into video).

Perhaps you can download the trial of Production Premium (please don't install the individual products) and give it a go for 30 days. I think your workflow and experience will not differ that much from FCP...

Ok, enough with the promotalk, already... hope some others can help. Have you done a search on Philip Blooms site? Or consider dropping Shane Hurlbut a mail...

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:36:03 pm

The Funny thinig is that I did learn editing on Adobe Premiere - I remember it was the first version :-) looong time ago.
But by now i am a True Blood FCP user - I do use AE quiet a lot, but just for CC and FX work.
I will check the site you mentioned.
Who is Shane Hurlbut and how can I get in contact with him?

Thanx a lot for your help.

Greetings,


Sascha


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Ed Cilley
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:51:22 pm

If you are cutting in FCP, you do not want to edit with the original codec that the 7D records. Your computer will have an easier time with ProRes files.

Convert the Canon H.264 files to ProRes 422. You can do this with Compressor or there may be other programs that will do the same. I have not tried this, but you can look at...
http://www.videotoolshed.com/product/15/offloader/2

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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:57:30 pm

Although CS5 has great playback of native footage due to the Mercury Playback Engine, I continue to use Cineform's NeoScene. This is a wavelet-based transcoder that is relatively light on HDD usage. Also, their interpolation from 4:2:0 Canon native to 4:2:2 color space seems to give more leeway when doing CC-ing.

But from what I've seen/heard ProRes 422 should do the same thing.

What are you more concerned with - the transcoding process or the ability to add metadata to it?

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 10:33:24 pm

Actually both, I wondered simply if there's the same kind of plug in than for the Sony EX1, so you can just preview, set in &out points and off you go...converting the files into ProRes for FCP.
It's mainly the work flow I was worried about - cause it will be certainly more than 1000 Takes.


Sascha


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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 8:51:48 pm

Visit http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/, although he may not be as willing to reply (A.S.C. member and all) as Philip Bloom or Vincent Laforet are.

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 10:42:03 pm

Pity, the link is not working :-(

Sascha


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Phil Balsdon
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 10:22:18 pm

The Canon plugin works well with Log and Transfer. It's the fastest way to bring the H264 format of the 7D into FCP as directly as ProRes. It also has the added and extremely useful benefit of translating the camera's time of day recording into a timecode track, its the only ingest system for this format that currently does this.

The audio on the 7D is inadequate for a feature. PluralEyes works well but I'd still use a slate for better organisation.

Your big problem will be if the location crew doesn't follow a workflow that is organised.

The most reliable way to bring the files from the CF card to a drive is to use Disk Utility to record a New Image. This should then duplicate this to another drive for security. You and they need to get together and decide on a suitable workflow these files and associated audio tracks, renaming and putting them in folders so that you aren't left with a massive task of trying find what goes what before you start to edit.

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 10:36:10 pm

Thanx, that was kind of the description and answer I was looking for.
Can you explain the whole Disk Utility, Workflow thing again.
I am not sure I quiet got it.
Thanx a lot !
I really appreciate it!


Sascha


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Phil Balsdon
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 10:55:36 pm

Very simple. I keep an alias of the Disk Utility app (the original is in the Mac OSX Utilities folder) on my desk top.
Plug the card reader with CF card into the computer. Open Disk Utility select the card in the top left window then click "New Image" in the top menu bar. Decide where you want to put it. You will have all the necessary data, it's a perfect replica of the CF card.

You can rename the default "Canon EOS" copy as a scene number or whatever works best for you, I'd be asking them to then put this in a folder with a suitable name and the relevant audio files for that scene so its all together. Then copy this folder to a second drive for back up. (This is the new "Clapper / Loader" or 2nd AC's job in the camera department). It's often given to the work experience person, they need to know how important the job is and be shown exactly how to do it right.

This will mean its an organised structure for you and save you hours of searching and working out what is what in post.

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 11:35:58 pm

One more question:
In the options in the Disk Utility window, once you clicked on new Disk, what do you choose for "Image Format" and "Encryption"?

Sascha


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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 30, 2010 at 11:30:52 pm

Cheers Mate!
Thanx a lot for your valuable advice.
I do know about the Disk Utility App - but I am still not sure I quiet understand it.
Guess, I just have to give it a shot and try it out.
I will also forward this advice of yours to the DOP and the director!

Your helps's appreciated a lot!


Sascha


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Phil Balsdon
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 31, 2010 at 12:03:06 am

Disk Utility settings

Give the Save As a relevant name (Scene Number?)
Settings;
Image format - compressed
Encryption - none

One thing I didn't mention but its not relevant to the Disk Utility bit.

I use the Canon Plugin in FCP7 on a MacPro Quad with Leopard OS. It works perfectly.
I haven't upgraded the FCP6.0.6 to FCP7 on my MacBook and I can't get the Canon Plugin to work in Log and Transfer. I've tried everything, the same files on the same disc work in FCP7 on the MacPro. I will need to install FCP7 on the MacBook but need to wait until I have the time to do it properly.

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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 31, 2010 at 7:52:26 am

Good to hear. That sucks, I am still running OSX 10.5.8 and FCP 6.0.6. - does that mean I am in trouble?

Sascha


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Phil Balsdon
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Jul 31, 2010 at 8:21:43 am

Don't know why it's not working in FCP 6.0.6. Its supposed to, but I've seen a couple of posts with other people having problems with 6.0.6.

I'm doing exactly the same as in FCP7 and get a message about file structures in FCP6. That same file on the same drive opens in FCP7.

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Michael Sacci
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Aug 2, 2010 at 9:34:20 pm

Not sure I see the benefit of a Disc Image over a discreet folder for each card. What do you again by the extra effort of having to make and then mount an image each time you want to access the media. Not saying you are wrong just wondering if you get something for the extra work.

Honestly something like ShutPut Pro is the way to go, it can copy to multiple drives at the same time and does a verification of the copy.


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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Aug 5, 2010 at 7:13:26 pm

Hi Michael,

what do you mean by discreet folder?
Could you give me your take of a workflow with the Canon 7D and FCP?
I would really appreciate it.
Thanx.


Sascha Engel


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Sascha Engel
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Aug 5, 2010 at 7:35:16 pm

I thought the software for syncing the Audio and Video for DSLR Cameras is the DualEyes software, not the PluralEyes one. Unfortunately it seems like, that the Dual Eyes are just available for PC, not for FCP on MAC. Is that true?

Sascha


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Phil Balsdon
Re: Shooting Feature on D7
on Aug 5, 2010 at 9:17:20 pm

"Initially for Windows with a Mac version to follow"

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