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Eric Lochstampfor
Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jun 30, 2010 at 6:22:38 pm

Hi,

Was looking into getting started in DSLR video with the Canon 7d. My question is what is recommended as separate audio recording device? I've been looking at a few digital audio records because I want to keep it all digital. Will most often be using a boom mic or a lav.



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Richard van den Boogaard
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jun 30, 2010 at 10:23:05 pm

Zoom H4N is the best and most affordable solution. Great for recording set noise (cross mic on front) and two XLR-inputs on the back. I use it all the time.

Richard van den Boogaard
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Jonathan Ziegler
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jun 30, 2010 at 10:45:45 pm

I'm big on the Zoom H4n as well. Shop around and get one for about $300-400. Get a good mic! I'm partial to the Audio Technica shotgun mic (AT8015) which runs less than $300 new. With the Zoom H4n, you'll need a good set of headphones. Skip the noise canceling ones. They flavor the audio in subtle ways and you'll miss things you need to pay attention to. Instead, look for ones that use passive isolation. I like the DirectSound EX25/29. They run about $50-75 and are worth every penny. Lastly, you'll get an XLR audio cable with your headphones, but spend the coin on a nice cable - I like Monster cables. The rest is up to you - boom pole or PVC pipe, mic stands, etc. There are as many sound options for add-ons as there are for the camera.

Finally, if you plan on doing a lot of studio work (the H4n is assuming you'll be mobile or on-location), consider a USB-type sound device you can connect to a laptop or desktop machine. You would use your audio app with the device and listen with headphones to see how the recording is going. This will also allow you to add in mixers and such into your recording, but prices jump accordingly and its not smooth ground if you're a newbie.

Jonathan Ziegler
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Bouke Vahl
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 6:28:40 am

Personally, i don't like the zoom as it has no way of syncing.
So i use old fashioned timecode for that.
Since the 'real' recorders with TC in and out are more expensive than my camera, i decided to make my own, and that resulted in this:

http://www.videotoolshed.com/product/60/vtsrecorder/3

(mini) Laptop with a decent (external usb powered) soundcard works swell for me.
I even have wireless TC into the cam...
Not the best for run and gun work, but that's not what i do.



Bouke

http://www.videotoolshed.com/
smart tools for video pros


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Uli Plank
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 7:31:57 am

Well, you can always use PluralEyes for syncing with the H4. DSLRs don't have proper TC.

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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Bouke Vahl
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 7:46:04 am

I beg to differ.
PluralEyes does not work with most editing packages.
AFAIK, it only works with FCP and Vegas...
(I use mainly Avid).
Also, it needs proper sound from the cam as well.
Forget that if you use internal cam mic and tele shots, or shooting in noisy factories.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, it works great for simple interview situations, but when it's going get tough it gets very risky...



Bouke

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Phil Balsdon
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 12:47:22 pm

I've found PluralEyes to be very good, but I use Final Cut Pro.

For those that don't use Final Cut you can now get DualEyes which works with most other NLE's.

I use a Zoom H4 to record master audio.

Cinematographer, Steadicam Operator, Final Cut Pro Post Production.
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Eric Lochstampfor
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 1:08:17 pm

Thanks for the feedback.

Most of the recording I would be doing would be short film projects and I'd be editing on FCP Studio if that helps any. Looking at the Zoom it looks like what I'd be needing with a good boom mic.

In terms of syncing, can't you just use an old fashioned clacker?






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Norman Willis
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 6:53:55 pm

I just shot a two hour video with a clap board. I am in Vegas. I had to switch 'quantize to frames' off, and then I was able to line everything up fairly cleanly. Then the only thing was to go to the end of the shoot, and line up the end.

Cam #1 (Canon HF S10) was the standard.
Cam #2 (second HF S10) was one frame behind.
H4N in .wav 16 was six frames behind.

Not bad for a two hour shoot. So I don't know how you do it in FCP (and I am sure there is a good way) but in Vegas you just hold down CTRL and grab the lower right corner of the track, and line things up. So I am wondering if I really want to spend $149.00 for a plug in, which will just add more things to the registry.

Norman Willis
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Phil Balsdon
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 1, 2010 at 10:51:27 pm

Of course you can use the old fashioned clapper, it's probably the most reliable method. We have one.
Even a hand clap and audio ID will work. I also have a slate app on my iPhone.

At the moment though I'm working on a mini dance doco shooting rehearsals. Sometimes I'm on steadicam, sometimes sticks and sometimes handheld. Most of the time the sound recordist and I are on opposite sides of the room. The audio from the radio mike on the instructor is important. Setting up a clap of any kind is impractical, in this instance we find PluralEyes to be faultless. In post I can set up PluralEyes to batch sync everything and save a heap of time.

I also shoot a regular interview with a CEO using two cameras. This session often stops and starts, bringing in a clapper etc would be disruptive to the talent and flow of the interview and getting both cameras to see a clap at the same time difficult. PluralEyes works for this too, syncing both cameras (timecode out of these particular cameras is not available).


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Uli Plank
Re: Recording Audio in DSLR
on Jul 2, 2010 at 5:31:12 pm

PluralEyes is surprisingly reliable with bad audio. Sure, it can't handle a noisy factory or standing next to a towering loudspeaker at a Heavy Metal concert, but it can handle the audio from a 5D or 7D bulit-in mike quite well in slightly more acceptable environments. Plus, it can even sort out a bunch of short clips to one long shot from another source.

Finally, they already have a beta out for Premiere Pro, and the FCP version is getting refined to 1.2. After editing a long theatre shoot with 4 cameras in FCP with version 1 (two of the cameras with lots of breaks) I'm very convinced of this product. I second that the old-style clapper is not really acceptable in many situations which are not regular fiction shooting.

Director of the Institute of Media Research (IMF) at Braunschweig University of Arts


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