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Grzegorz Kwiatkowski
Canon 5D features
on Dec 14, 2012 at 12:00:56 am

I am going to shoot a TV program using two Canons 5D. One is MKII, the second is MKIII. I want to record audio directly into MKIII to save days of syncing time. I want to connect two audio sources: microport and external boom mic.

- would you rely on recording audio only to MKIII or rather use dual system (recorder + going directly)?
- do you have any experiences with Juicedlink? What is the audio quality with this hardware?
- has anyone used dual system (connecting mics with XLRs to the recorder and then through mini-jack output-input to DSLR? what recorder is the best for such solution?
- does MKIII has any audio limiter (auto mode) to prevent from distortion?
- can you genlock SMPTE into MKIII for multicam shoot?

Thanks for answers.


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Sareesh Sudhakaran
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 14, 2012 at 9:26:19 am

I will never recommend recording audio on a DSLR. No genlock. Try Zoom H4N. Get a good sound guy.

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Grzegorz Kwiatkowski
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 14, 2012 at 10:43:28 am

However Sareesh, have you tested recording on Canon 5D mark III?


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Sareesh Sudhakaran
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 14, 2012 at 3:37:11 pm

No, Grzegorz. Check out my post on the subject: http://wolfcrow.com/blog/comprehensive-guide-to-rigging-any-camera-13-audio...

Hope this helps.

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Al Bergstein
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 14, 2012 at 2:13:34 pm

Dual system is always best, IMHO.
But,
Mkiii does have agc limiter, but i have not used it for pro work. Not true limiter. Unless i've missed something.
Mkiii has timecode but i don't believe it is in. Check the online manuals. My guess is out only. Does do rec run.
I have done dual systems with a SD mixpre. Works fine. Practice first.
No experience with juicelink.
A sample of audio directly into the mkiii using a wired lav is here. No audio sweetening. Quick and dirty.


Al


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Mark Shepherd
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 16, 2012 at 6:06:23 pm

I have used the Mark111 with both wireless and hard wired mics going DIRECTLY into the camera. The sound is fine for most situations, interviews. If I record in a situation where the sound is very loud (music) I would use a mixer with a good limiter to feed it into the camera or record double system. If the sound levels are not all over the place feeding a mic DIRECTLY into the Mark111 works perfectly. I also have bought a 3.5 mini plug (stereo) that splits the cable into (2) XLR inputs so you can use a boom mic with a lav, or two lavs. The only big problem with using a boom mic, in my case my Sennheiser 415 is that it has to be phantom powered which requires a mixer or a 48 volt phantom device. If you are just doing an interview with the Mark111 you can be a one man band and wear headphones coming out of the Mrk111 to check quality, but if you are using a boom and a lav you will need a sound man but you don't need to go double system.


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Grzegorz Kwiatkowski
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 17, 2012 at 7:10:30 am

Thanks for the link Al. The voice is warm and nice but the hum pretty apparent. Why is it so?


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Mark Shepherd
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 17, 2012 at 2:57:53 pm

The "hum" that you hear is probably from the all the water pumps that are just behind the subject. You can see one clearly by his right arm.


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Al Bergstein
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 17, 2012 at 4:05:15 pm

Right you are. It's an industrial facility, so there were background noises. Especially pumps. That's why close mic'ed.

Al


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Brent Dunn
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 20, 2012 at 6:03:02 pm

Yes, you could go direct, but if you have an external recorder, you should record to both for backup. If you use Plural Eyes, it should synch.

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Mark Shepherd
Re: Canon 5D features
on Dec 21, 2012 at 1:51:00 am

My question wasn't "can I go direct to an external recorder?" I want to know if the QUALITY of the recording would visually better, IE: more resolution and detail and information. I know that recording 4:2:2 in ProRes would be better for green screen, but that is not why I would want to record to an external recorder with a codex other than H264. My original post was asking the question about WHY the Canon 5DMark11 video looks worse that SOny XDcam.


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