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Stuart Sharman
Reverse way of thinking
on Aug 23, 2010 at 10:28:23 pm

Hi!

Trying to help out a client on a reverse way of doing things.
We set them up with CatDV Workgroup earlier this summer and they have being busy with logging all there footage in the Verbatim logger. So far so good, but some weeks before we had the system up and running there editors already started the edits.
The question is does anyone here have any experience on how we can link the logged clips (Event Markers etc) with there already edited sequences in FCP? All the clip names are identical and have stayed unchanged after they where logged in CatDV.

Thanks for help!


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Kevin Duggan
Re: Reverse way of thinking
on Aug 24, 2010 at 7:48:17 pm

Hi Stuart
okay . here been and sort of done that. . Firstly you need to be aware that if FCP is running and Catdv also you can go to the OTHER tab in the CatDV tree you should see the FCP project in BOLD type. If you can then you should CTRL/Click on the project and you get a number of options. Play around to understand whats going on. Probably you will want to bring in all the clips into CATDV. Any metadata that has been added in FCP will also come along with it .
You can save these new clips to the server and they will live alongside the newly logged ones . If you get the right metadata structure . a query will bring both back .. You can manually if desired merge the two clips metadata toghether by copying the clip ... and using the paste metadata command in the Edit menu.. you are then presented with a number of options. I think merge will be the one you want . After that .. you could throw away or delete the ones from FCP..
The unusual thing is as you suggest it has been logged after the fact ...so to speak . But with a little manual intervention you should be able to bring it all back on track.. In the past I have had to just take what has been done in FCP and make that into the CATDV database. Never stop coming across new problems in this game.

Hope this helps

Kevin



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Stuart Sharman
Re: Reverse way of thinking
on Sep 16, 2010 at 11:11:18 am

Thanks for the feedback Kevin!

Testing this out here now and we can not seem to find the Paste Metadata command in the Edit menu.
Also do you think this command would work on a folder level? All the «tapes» are in folders.
The client has hundreds of files that have been used in FCP but logged after in CatDV. Hopefully we can somehow get the logging info from CatDV back into the clips in FCP. XML maybe?

Also. Does anybody have any expirence with subtitling? Are client has a lot of translated text in done in the Verbatim Logger that shows up fine in FCP, but it would be great if you could paste this text in FCP, so you could use this as your subtitling tesxt without having to go back to CatDV.

Cheers
Stuart


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Kevin Duggan
Re: Reverse way of thinking
on Sep 16, 2010 at 11:24:19 am

Hi Stuart

Firstly you need to enable ADVANCED menus in the General Prefs , this will give you the additional menu options . If you need to bring metadata from FCP. Open the desired project in FCP. Then goto the OTHER tab in CATDV and right/click (ctrl/click on a mac ) the BOLD FCP project name . This will give a load of options. I would start with Add to catalog . All of the clips will come over from FCP complete with metadata and a project file. You could then select all of the clips and do GLOBAL tagging ie add additional metadata to all of the clips in one go... then save it as a named catalog to the server if you wish. We have clients who have pulled whole series into CATDV this way. OR make an EMPTY clip from the EDIT menu add all of the metadata to this from your drop downs etc... GOTO EDIT> COPY to place all of this info on the Macs CLIPBOARD then select your asetts and GOTO EDIT>PASTE METADATA ... this will give you a dialog .. whether to overwrite /merge or only write if blank to the fiields for the asetts... You should be able to figure out what you want to do.. Finally if fields or values are not in the correct place for you .. GOTO BULK EDIT and this will allow you to copy stuff to other fields to provide consistency with the your CATDV schemas






Hope this helps

Kevin Duggan
CatDv



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Stuart Sharman
Re: Reverse way of thinking
on Sep 23, 2010 at 3:36:46 pm

Thanks Kevin!

We are getting close here. At the moment copying sequences over to a new catalog and pasteing the meta data in one big go is working fine. But! There is a little snag.

Here is an example:
In your FCP sequence you are only using 12 of 40 clips imported to FCPs browser when you started your edit.
Everything is imported as folders into FCP (P2 MXF files) so finding and relinking the folders in CatDV is easy accept you have to manually paste the metadata to the clips one by one, since all the clips are not used on the FCP timeline and dont come into FCP. Is it possible to see all the clips that are imported to FCPs browser in CatDV?

One more thing. They are having audio problems. When exporting a new XML for FCP it complains over that the audio is in a unkown format and cannot find a translation for it. Seen this before? As mentioned evertyhing is P2 based MXF files using MXF4Mac.

Cheers
Stuart


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Rolf Howarth
Re: Reverse way of thinking
on Sep 17, 2010 at 11:35:17 am

Re subtitling, there are two ways of storing the results of vebatim logger in CatDV, as a transcript in the Notes field or as event markers. Both of these go over to Final Cut, and within FCP you should be able to copy either the markers or Log Notes field, so use whichever is most convenient for you.



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