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Jeremy Garchow
This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 2:14:37 am

Bug, or my own idiocy?


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Peter Chamberlain
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 6:01:43 am

Can you check the conform rate in the project settings and the deliver page is set to 23.976?
Peter


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Paul Provost
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 7:02:54 am

I'm suddenly seeing 23.98 XML from fcp7 importing into resolve as 24. This is new. I now need to set up my project and then on import of XML, deselect "automatically set sequence setting".
I've done a few tests and its consistent. Don't know if its 9.1.1 or what, but I'm on a feature and have not had time for further tests. Really troubling in the back of my mind though.

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Robert Due
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 5:17:58 pm

I have noticed this also. A workaround is to import the XML from Resolve into FCP - it comes in 24 fps. Create a new sequence at 23.98, then cut and paste all of the shots from the 24 fps sequence into the 23.98 sequence. Seems to work, especially if you rendered at 23.976 in Resolve.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 5:48:41 pm

Thanks everyone. I haven't been in front of the machine to do any more tests.

So, it does seem like a bug or at least an inconsistency.

I was wondering if I could modify the sequence frame rate in the XML by hand before import, or something crazy like that.

So, even if the sequence set to 24.0, the rendered clips still seem to be 23.976. If copying and pasting, does the timing change at all for you? It seems to do so for me.

Jeremy


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Robert Due
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 5:50:36 pm

I thought it worked for me. Since the footage was 23.98. I would have to open up the project I did it on.

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Paul Provost
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 6:02:54 pm

The xml FROM fcp7 is correct at 23.98. resolve seems to be converting the 23.98 xml into 24 on import
EDIT: I'm now confused. the sequence settings in FCP7 say "editing timebase 23.98".
the exported fcp7 xml says "24" when viewed in text editor.
these used to import into Resolve as 23.98 timelines when you set "automaticaly set project settings"
now if you do that, the timeline in resolve says 24 framerate (although it does let you render out at 23.98.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 6:14:47 pm

[Paul Provost] "The xml FROM fcp7 is correct at 23.98. resolve seems to be converting the 23.98 xml into 24 on import"

Correct.

I was hoping I could modify the outgoing XML. The incoming seems fine.


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Paul Provost
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 6:36:06 pm

when you look at your list of resolve projects in the home window, does it say it's a 23.98 project or 24?
this is where I'm seeing the discrepancy. am only able to get it to be a 23.98 project if I deselect "automatically set project settings and let the project preferences set the framerate.
I just looked at a list of several dozen projects in my old postgres database (I have switched to disk database recently) and they all are 23.98 projects... except for a couple that do say 24. so this is not new and I missed those couple when it happened - must have rendered out 23.98, round tripped back to fcp7 and it must not have been a problem.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 10:14:31 pm

[Paul Provost] "EDIT: I'm now confused. the sequence settings in FCP7 say "editing timebase 23.98".
the exported fcp7 xml says "24" when viewed in text editor.
these used to import into Resolve as 23.98 timelines when you set "automaticaly set project settings"
now if you do that, the timeline in resolve says 24 framerate (although it does let you render out at 23.98."


The timebase will say 24, but you have to set the ntsc flag to true.

Automatically set project settings doesn't seem to work for me unless I'm holding it wrong. Only setting 23.976 on a blank project seems to work.

This is weird.


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 10:12:34 pm

[Peter Chamberlain] "Can you check the conform rate in the project settings "

Once it's setup, it seems I can't change the frame rate in the conform section.

Deliver is set to 23.976.

I noticed that if I change video output to 23.98 from 24, the playback rate will default back to 24, even though I changed it to 23.98.

New and empty projects, I can conform the frame rate to 23.98 in the conform section.

I also noticed that I can alter the frame rate in the XML (Set the first sequence ntsc flag to true) and it comes in as 23.98 in FCP7.

I guess this is a big or something. It doesn't feel quite right.


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Joseph Owens
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 10:57:07 pm

I'm getting 29.97 projects back as 30 fps, and the cut-n-paste workaround is not my idea of a bug fix.

jPo

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 1, 2013 at 10:58:32 pm

[Joseph Owens] "I'm getting 29.97 projects back as 30 fps, and the cut-n-paste workaround is not my idea of a bug fix."

If you change the NTSC flag in your XML from false to true, does it work for you?


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Joseph Owens
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 3, 2013 at 7:02:04 pm

In the (Resolve) generated XML for the return trip, do you mean?

jPo

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Joseph Owens
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 3, 2013 at 7:10:25 pm

The answer is yes, changing the flag to "true" does yield a 29.97 returned sequence, even though a couple of lines up from there the frame rate is 30.

jPo

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 3, 2013 at 7:23:41 pm

The frame rate is always a base 24, 30, 60.

The NTSC flag signifies 23.976, 29.97, 59.94, etc.

If this is the only flag being misrepresented, it may be the bug. I had a chance to test it all the way through, though.

At any rate, it should be fixed by blackmagic.


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Paul Provost
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 3, 2013 at 7:41:51 pm

Ok so Resolve is changing the xml ntsc/true flag to false on import into resolve then.

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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 3, 2013 at 8:27:56 pm

*edit

That's what I'm seeing.

I think that's what jpo is seeing.

But I haven't followed all the flags all the way through to see if it makes a difference, because if that one is wrong, are the rest of them wrong? Does it make a difference in playback?

Not enough hours in the day...

*I can't type


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Jeremy Garchow
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 11, 2013 at 4:42:13 pm

This is pretty messed up.

Other clips getting flagged as 24.0 as well.

I have to check all NTSC flags.

Jeremy


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Robert Due
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 11, 2013 at 4:51:10 pm

I do agree that it is a bug that should be fixed by BMD. I also check my cut and paste method and it worked for me. (Mileage may vary)

I was dealing with one type of ftg. (RED) Perhaps mixed media results in frame rate issues. I have had footage from an Avid project that was 23.976 originally get rendered by Resolve as 24 fps on the roundtrip.

I know the cut and paste method isn't a good fix, but it seems to work for me - until the bug gets fixed, that is.

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andrew smith
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 25, 2013 at 3:06:39 am

This bug is a HUGE problem! Maybe BMD doesn't respond hear anymore? Also seeing this issue in 29.97 vs 30 from fcp7 xml - how can this be allowed to be released with such huge glaring bugs? Even worse not tell users about bugs you aware of so we can avoid client disasters.

I just don't get it. I have seen some big resolve 9 bugs in many versions - 9.0.4 got rid of a big one which had XML from fcp7 r3d jobs multiple frames off but now mixed frame rates in 9.1.1 is a huge pain...I want know how such a huge bug can be allowed?? BMD I know you are aware of the bugs so can you please respond to dongle owning professionals?


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Robert Due
Re: This is basic. Send 23.98 sequence from Fcpxml, Resolve sends 24.0 XML to fcp7.
on Mar 25, 2013 at 3:23:37 pm

I found this solution that worked for me. Look at the last post on the thread.
http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6147

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