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Matt Harris
Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Sep 27, 2015 at 6:32:20 am

I somehow had the wrong timeline framerate and graded an entire project (24fps instead of 23.976). On export the playback is funny. Is there a way to change it or somehow get my grade into a new project?


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Joseph Owens
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Sep 27, 2015 at 10:51:48 pm

[Matt Harris] ". Is there a way to change it or somehow get my grade into a new project?"

There is no way to change it.

You will have to create a new project with the correct frame base, and then attempt to ColorTrace the corrections... it will warn you that some frame-rate based operations will not translate properly. If you don't have a lot of tracking, stabilization, or speed re-maps, you might be okay.

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


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Marc Wielage
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Sep 29, 2015 at 6:12:57 am

The other possible workaround is to render out the 24.00fps project as a flattened file in a high quality format (like ProRes 444 or DNxHD or DNxHR 444), then start a new 23.976fps project, bring in the flattened file, and just render it out at the new speed. This will cause a .1% pulldown, so make sure this will sync up with your existing sound.

Generally nowadays, I think 24.00fps projects are rare... but they do exist. I personally think 23.976 is much more straightforward and easier to deal with, since most sound and picture people expect this mode (for American-based TV or feature projects, anyway).


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Joseph Owens
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Oct 10, 2015 at 3:15:12 am

[Marc Wielage] "Generally nowadays, I think 24.00fps projects are rare... but they do exist."

That is true. Working on one that was sourced that way, for reasons that I am still trying to work out. Eventually it will have a number of releases, but for the moment, I am stuck doing multiple frame rate conversions to get it to sync with various master mixes, and then pull it up to 2997 interlaced for broadcast.
And then 24.000 for DCP -- having been made extremely wary of different servers that don't know and make assumptions about the audio and video MXF essence frame rates, a relationship that can go south very quickly.

jPo

"I always pass on free advice -- its never of any use to me" Oscar Wilde.


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Mike Most
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Oct 14, 2015 at 1:17:22 pm

>Generally nowadays, I think 24.00fps projects are rare... but they do exist. I personally think 23.976 is much more >straightforward and easier to deal with, since most sound and picture people expect this mode (for American->based TV or feature projects, anyway).

The large majority of feature projects we do in Europe and elsewhere (i.e., anywhere except North America) are 24fps. It is not rare, it is very common if you're not fixated on the US and Canada (although we have done a number of 24fps shows in those areas as welll.....).


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Peter Fold
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Jun 19, 2018 at 3:29:48 pm

You can create another project with different fps settings and copy the content of the timeline from one project to the other.


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Gerry Senechal
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 14, 2018 at 2:34:29 pm

I've found myself in the same situation and just tried to copy/paste, but I get an error box that says "Current project frame rate does not match that of copied items from the timeline." Project filmed in 29.97, somehow mistakenly edited in a 24 timeline, now looks like crap due to skipped frames - and I'd really like to avoid having to completely redo it since it's all been painstakingly synced to the audio track!!

Many thanks for any help!


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Peter Fold
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 14, 2018 at 2:41:03 pm

I think to be able to copy paste you need not only create a new timeline but a new project with the right settings. That worked for me. In case it still does not work, you can also try exporting it to another software via xml for example, and then change your setting there.


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Gerry Senechal
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 15, 2018 at 12:49:54 am

OK, so I was able to start a new project in 29.97 and successfully copy the whole project, but it still appears to have the skipped frames and when I go to "project settings" sure enough, 24 is there and greyed out ☹ Oh well - it's only a 45-second clip, it won't take me forever to redo it - it's just syncing up the lips to the audio that will be a challenge! It's a choir singing slowly, but at least I have some sort of template to start from.

Thank you anyway!


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Michael Gissing
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 15, 2018 at 1:15:47 am

I have done this once before for a friend who got the frame rate wrong. I exported an XML, opened that in Premiere (CS6) then changed the frame rate and re-exported an xml which I then opened in a new Resolve project with the correct frame rate set. The timeline had some gaps which needed to be fixed but it meant a total recut to conform was not necessary.


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Gerry Senechal
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 15, 2018 at 1:54:59 am

I wish I could - the only video software I have is Resolve! I'm not nearly as big-time as everyone else here but I use and appreciate Resolve immensely; it generally does everything I need so I haven't yet had to buy anything else. I'd love to export XML/reimport if I could. I think I'm actually being a baby about this - I need to just get it redone! Oh well.


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Michael Gissing
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 15, 2018 at 1:58:27 am

It's a hard lesson to learn that Resolve will not allow you to change frame rates once a timeline is started. I don't know why they have that limitation. Other NLEs don't.


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Gerry Senechal
Re: Need to change timeline framerate after grading.
on Aug 15, 2018 at 2:11:30 am

Yeah, it's really the only brick wall I've ever hit in years of using it - and it's all my fault for somehow not hitting the "Change" button when prompted at importing the first clip. That nanosecond is costing me a lot of time ☺ oh well - I'm wiser now!


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