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Nat Jencks
FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 13, 2013 at 11:41:10 pm

Its great that you can add folders (bins) in the media pool, but what would be even better would be to be able to add folders to organize your sequences. For those of us that keep many sequences in the same project this would be really really useful organizationally.

best-
-Nat


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Juan Salvo
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 3:04:02 am

Can I ask, how many sequences do you typically have? I don't think I've had more than like 7 or 8 in a project, and usually a couple of those are duplicates that I could have deleted. Most projects have two sequences at the most.

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Oyvind Stiauren
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 4:28:53 am

How many sequences you'll have will of course depend on what type of projects you have. I mostly do DI for feature films and for those projects I usually will have 4-6 sequences, 1 for each 2000 ft reel. But when doing color correcting for restoration of old feature films, each reel will be only 1000 ft, and therefore I'll usually end up having anywhere between 8-13 sequences. So I can see that in some cases you can end up with quite a few sequences to manage, but in most cases I think the way things work right now in Resolve is adequate.

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Nat Jencks
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 5:33:22 am

I work on features so I usually have 5 or 6 reels. It's not uncommon for a reel or two to have recuts after the preliminary turnover at which point we reconform, but I like to keep the old sequences for reference. So it's not uncommon for me to have 10 sequences. I would like to be able to create a folder called "old reels" or "archive" etc. Best-
-Nat


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Juan Salvo
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 4:13:59 pm

I always keep reels in separate projects. It's tough to divide and conquer if all the reels are in the same project.

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brandon thomas
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 8:26:38 pm
Last Edited By brandon thomas on Dec 15, 2013 at 8:27:30 pm

For features, I can see there not being a big need, but when doing spots, I've had projects with 20+ sequences. :60, :30s, :15s, :10s, + Agency versions, Director's cuts, etc..

The ability to have folders there would certainly be helpful. Even if it's just another way to be OCD or keep myself organized.


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John Tissavary
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 19, 2013 at 5:17:13 pm

I do a lot of commercial grading and finishing, too. We easily have 6 or 7 versions for the first distribution (:15, :20, :30, :60, agency cut, broadcast, 4:3, ad nauseum...), then it typically grows to 15 - 30 versions with different end tags, languages, etc... for various markets.

Because there is no way to export and import timelines from one project to another, it is only manageable to do all this in one project and be sure that very version is up to date, but the timeline window interface makes it too difficult to work this way. I use leading underscores to try and help visually, but there are still too many timelines to scroll through to find the one you're looking for.

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Margus Voll
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 20, 2013 at 5:20:59 am

It just hit me that if you export from Premiere for example
and do not select any specific timeline it will bundle all available timelines in xml.

If i could be possible visually to represent them the same way and you could import all of them at once so to say then it would be super cool with this kind of workflow where you have a lot of versions.

I can relate to that as i have some advertising jobs also and like you said kazillion versions and they better be up to date.

So it would ale sense in that situation to organise timelines in some better way.

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Marc Wielage
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 9:06:10 am

[Nat Jencks] "Its great that you can add folders (bins) in the media pool, but what would be even better would be to be able to add folders to organize your sequences."
You mean the timelines? I just give the timelines in a feature different names to differentiate any versions over a period of weeks, then sort them by name.

One bug from V9: if you cycle through the timelines with the dedicated key on the DaVinci Resolve panel, you can't set the order of the timelines beyond creation order. I would much rather this order just parallel the order of the timelines alphabetically. I'm glad that they did at least provide the "duplicate timeline" function in V10, which is very helpful.


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Margus Voll
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 10:25:18 am

in v10 it should be relatively easy to organise stuff even on one timeline.

i mean flags and markers.

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Marc Wielage
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 11:08:57 am

[Margus Voll] "in v10 it should be relatively easy to organise stuff even on one timeline."
I think Nat is talking about multiple timelines, assuming that's what he means by "sequences."

I agree, flags and markers can be very useful -- I use flags just to indicate specific shots the DP has approved, so I can then use those as hero shots to complete the rest of the scene. But if you have multiple cuts and massive changes but want to keep the original cut "just in case," you can wind up with a couple of dozen timelines very quickly for a single feature. I can recall working with one director some years back on Pogle (anybody remember that?) where I think we had 7 or 8 versions of each reel, and he occasionally wanted to use last Tuesday's look for one series of shots with this Friday's new edit of the same scene, using a whole different approach. Not fun to mix and match, but we got it done.


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Margus Voll
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 11:45:09 am

Ok i see the point.

I have been lucky with features that i have locked edits usually.

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Margus

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Nat Jencks
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 15, 2013 at 5:44:46 pm

Even when everything is truly locked, its nice to be able to dupe a timeline before you make a major change to a particular scene etc. Or occasionally I might have an assistant work on some scenes, and I like to duplicate the timeline before they start working on it.

I realize that the traditional workflow for resolve is to keep the number of timelines in a single project very low, or even at a single timeline per project, but I really don't think that makes sense looking forward.

As resolve takes steps towards having some basic functionality as an online editor these type of things become more crucial.

The organizational benefits of being able group timelines and place them in folders seem obvious to me. I also use Scratch quite a bit, and the same conversation came up a few years ago as more users started using it for long form work and the need for folders to organize timelines (constructs in scratch) came up. When scratch added the ability to place timelines in folders (groups) to organize them it was a huge benefit organizationally for me.

Best-
-Nat


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Marc Wielage
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 16, 2013 at 9:17:36 am

[Nat Jencks] "I also use Scratch quite a bit, and the same conversation came up a few years ago as more users started using it for long form work and the need for folders to organize timelines (constructs in scratch) came up. When scratch added the ability to place timelines in folders (groups) to organize them it was a huge benefit organizationally for me."

Eh, I dunno. I got along without it for 20 years with DaVinci 888 and 2K, and it didn't kill me. Hey, at least you can rapidly switch back and forth between timelines. Imagine software where you could only have [B]one[/B] timeline open at a time! There were quite a few color correctors over the years like that.

I try to look at the glass as half-full, not half-empty. Timeline management ain't that hard.


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Margus Voll
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 16, 2013 at 9:41:47 am

Probably really depends on the feature and the amount of footage but i tend to work in one long timeline.

With adverts it is really handy to have different timelines like pointed out like 20 of them.
With proper naming they should be simple to identify.

I'm thinking if you have timelines in folders how would you switch them fast ?

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Margus

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brandon thomas
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 16, 2013 at 4:22:05 pm

I think the 'Switch Timeline' would function the same. Just changing to the next timeline (but ideally following whatever hierarchy you've constructed with folders, not creation order.)


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sean ross
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Jan 13, 2014 at 9:59:51 pm

That feature would be great. Also, to be able to sort and reorder my timelines would be truly a blessing!


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John Tissavary
Re: FEATURE REQUEST - Folders / Bins at the sequence level
on Dec 19, 2013 at 5:07:57 pm

+1000

I requested this some time ago, got a follow up e-mail from Peter Chamberlain asking how I'd use this, so hopefully that means it's something they're looking into.

John Tissavary | colorist | owner
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